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PLATON
12-21-2010, 04:02 PM
I was looking at some photos of the TN jacket and noticed that the side strap is attached with a box stitch.
Only the strap holding the triglide has a K stitch. Is this normal?

neutronbomb
12-21-2010, 04:11 PM
Can you please post the picture you are looking at.

crismans
12-21-2010, 04:57 PM
I'm away from mine right now, but I'm pretty sure it's got the K stitch on the strap. I'll have to check.

Mac
12-21-2010, 05:20 PM
I believe he's referring to the TN 000/888 Raiders prototype strap having a box-stitch on one side and a K-stitch on the other:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Jackets/TNRaidersStrap000-888.jpg

- Mac

TheExit148
12-21-2010, 06:02 PM
I believe that is standard on all TN Raiders. I had Tony put a K stitch on each side for my jacket as an extra.

Raskolnikov
12-21-2010, 06:35 PM
Yep. That's the standard. If I'm not wrong both ways where SA, depending on which jacket was being used.

RCSignals
12-21-2010, 08:35 PM
It's not a discrepancy, it's the way the jacket he had to duplicate was. I think the 'main hero' is the same

there is one jacket in the movie with the 'K' stitch the other way around (on the other end), but If I remember correctly it is the 'Bantu Wind'(?)

Mac
12-21-2010, 09:07 PM
RC is correct, the Bantu jacket appears to have a K-box on the pocket side of the strap:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Jackets/Bantu-Strap-Large.jpg

- Mac

Not Sure
12-22-2010, 07:48 PM
It also appears to have the back part of the strap (the part attached to the back panel) sewn into the back panel...it doesn't appear to be on the outside or surface of the panel.

crismans
12-22-2010, 07:50 PM
It also appears to have the back part of the strap (the part attached to the back panel) sewn into the back panel...it doesn't appear to be on the outside or surface of the panel.




Another feature unique to this jacket.

Not Sure
12-22-2010, 07:53 PM
And unique to the early Wested jackets from the 1990s.

crismans
12-22-2010, 08:41 PM
Right. And there has been a lot of speculation as to why there are similarities between them. If I remember correctly, Westeds started out in the more familiar configuration, went to this configuration in the early 90s, and then went back.

neutronbomb
12-22-2010, 08:54 PM
It also appears to have the back part of the strap (the part attached to the back panel) sewn into the back panel...it doesn't appear to be on the outside or surface of the panel.


I don't think the slit goes up through where the straps attach and it looks kinda like they were sewn on at the seam or just over the top of the seam maybe. Here's a few posts from Crismans thread that I think show the strap attachments the best that I've been able to find.



Here's the two best frames [that I've been able to find] showing The Prototype/Bantu Wind jacket's strap attachment:

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/th_DVDSnap1815.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/?action=view&current=DVDSnap1815.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/DVDSnap1815.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/th_DVDSnap1814.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/?action=view&current=DVDSnap1814.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/DVDSnap1814.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/DVDSnap1815-2.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/DVDSnap1814-1.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/DVDSnap1815-1.jpg


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Jackets/Bantu-Strap-Large.jpg



This has been floating around for 10 years describing a jacket that was examined by a fan and that specs of it were given to G&B for their Indy jacket development. I think it's pretty obvious it wasn't the main jacket(s) HF wears in ROTLA. The only chance of it being a screen used jacket is if it were the prototype/bantu wind/truck drag stunt jacket. Some of the items listed below don't appear to match though. Possibly an old Lee Keppler with the slit pocket description? Or more likely a Wested. KT do you know when Peter went to the slit pocket on the inside?

Posted on August 07, 2000 at 15:01:29:

"I was able to examination an original jacket from Raiders over the weekend. I examined the jacket as well as the documents certifying its authenticity. I brought along a Wested jacket for comparison, though after owning three, I think I could have done this from memory. Peter even dropped me a hint as to an item I might look for to verify it was one of his. Based on all that I had before me, I believe that this was an authentic article.

So here goes…

For the most part, the items we've been debating made up the bulk of the differences:

1.The leather used was noticeably thicker then that on my Wested.

2.This particular jacket had rectangular rings 1 inch by ½ inch, rather then the d-rings. They were painted black.

3.The straps were thicker and a bit wider. The thickness was due to the leather being three layers thick rather then two.

4.The straps were attached within the seam of the jacket, which runs a few inches from the hand warmer slit, i.e. they were not attached right next to the hand warmer slit as with my Wested. A reinforcing length of stitching ran approximately ¼ inch from the seam on the side towards the hand warmer slit. This stitching was through the outer jacket and through the part of the strap under the seam.

5.The rings were attached under the seam like the Wested, but were much more flush with the edge of the rear panel, i.e. they were barely visible unless the bi-swing pleat were opened.

6.Also, a very interesting thing was that the stitching for the ring attachment went through the rear panel. This could explain why sometimes it looks like the attachment is on the outside and sometimes on the inside.

7.The overall side strap attachment is slightly above the center of the hand warmer slit opening, NOT level with the bottom of the opening as with my Wested.

8.The length of the bi-swing pleat ran ½ inch above the attachment of the ring attachment to the rear panel. As such, the bi-swing pleat on the Wested needs to be appropriately longer.

9.One big surprise - there were gussets under the arms! This explains a particular fit problem I've always had with the Wested, i.e. you cannot move your arms around much without the entire body of the jacket moving with you. The gussets would fix this. They were made up of two panels, each ¾ inch wide. Together they were shaped like an elongated eye. They serve as a kind of pleat under the arm to allow arm movement without affecting fit or how the jacket hangs. Very interesting.

10.The collar attachment to the storm flap was correct in basic configuration, but the Wested is off in scale. The storm flap on the original was 3/4 inch narrower, and the collar band was only ¾ inch wide vs. 1 1/8 on the Wested. Other then that the collar dimensions were dead-on. Sorry, but the collar band did attach to the top of the storm flap, creating the "cap" to the storm flap - some have disputed this, though I cannot recall who. The resulting collar sat more flat against the jacket.

11.The bi-swing pleat was 1 ½ inches deep, vs. 1 inch on my Wested. The extra ½ inch makes a big difference in the appearance of the pleat.

12.The seam under the sleeve was lined up perfectly with the seam across the back of the jacket.

13.The inside pocket was a simple leather-bound slit, not the more elaborate configuration of my Wested. Actually, I really do prefer the more elaborate setup, but that's not the purpose here.

14.The lining was cotton - heavier then the cotton I have on my LC Wested. It was more like a lightweight denim-like material. The color was very close to my Wested's, however.

15.The cargo pockets were dead-on.

16.The zipper was the cheap aluminum type, with several teeth missing.

17.The jacket had two tears - one on each elbow. Quite probably the reason it was set aside from the production.

18.The color was a very deep brown - almost black in indoor light. Under bright light it did have a very subtle reddish hue.

I have drawings and measurements in note form. I'll put together some diagrams to try and clarify all this in the next few days.

Fun stuff!"

[quote=neutronbomb ]
Here's the two best frames showing The Prototype/Bantu Wind jacket's strap attachment:

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/th_DVDSnap1815.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/?action=view&current=DVDSnap1815.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/DVDSnap1815.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/th_DVDSnap1814.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/?action=view&current=DVDSnap1814.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/DVDSnap1814.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/DVDSnap1815-2.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/DVDSnap1814-1.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/DVDSnap1815-1.jpg

PLATON
01-21-2011, 05:12 PM
Don't we have any photos of the main hero showing this?

neutronbomb
01-28-2011, 02:23 AM
I'm not sure what you mean exactly Platon. But, The Main Hero Jacket, and The Imam jacket for that matter, attaches onto the back panel away from the bi-swing/action back seam compared to The Prototype Jacket.

Here's The Main Hero Jacket (top and bottom photos) compared to The Prototype Jacket (center photo):
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Strap%20Attachment/main_strapattachment1.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Stunt/DVDSnap1814-1.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Strap%20Attachment/main_strapattachment2.jpg