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PLATON
12-06-2010, 04:54 PM
Questions:

1. Is the Raven bar jacket the main hero jacket?
2. How many jackets appear in the Raver bar scene?
3. Is the Raver bar jacket the same as the wing fight scene jacket?

Who can answer?
Please give answers with explaination.

neutronbomb
12-06-2010, 06:04 PM
I don't have time for a long explanation. A lot of it has been covered in other threads. But, if no one else jumps in I'll maybe give a more comprehensive answer when I have a bit more time. However, to just answer your question I think:

1. The Raven Bar is The Main Hero Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=500.0).
2. Only one jacket, The Main Hero Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=500.0), is worn by HF throughout the entire Raven Bar sequence.
3. And yes, the Raven Bar jacket is the same as the wing fight scene jacket.

Additionally, my opinion of the answers to your above questions are located in the first post of The Main Hero Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=500.0) thread where I outline all the scenes and their time stamps of where I believe The Main Hero Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=500.0) is worn in.

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd
12-06-2010, 06:08 PM
I have been out of the raver bar scene for many years now and I don't remember jackets but I will say the music is waaay too loud. :D (welcome back Platon)

I can answer your questions but something tells me one of the heavies is getting something together... (imo the explanation is there in the main hero jacket thread by NB)

Gunslinger
12-06-2010, 08:23 PM
Agreed re the Hero jacket. There's always the chance that another jacket was used in some shots, but it seems highly unlikely. Every shot where a jacket is identifiable in these scenes, it's the Main Hero. It's got all the markers.

PLATON
12-08-2010, 03:15 PM
In my opinion, the Raven is the main hero, but the wing fight scene is perhaps filmed with more than one jacket. (Remind you they were filming it for days)

The reason I believe so is as follows:

The raven jacket has piped seam pockets as can be seen below

http://www.theraider.net/films/raiders/gallery/dvdscreenshots/119.jpg

The wing scene jacket does not. There is one moment when he is punched by the big German guy (can't tell which frame exactly) where you can clearly see in the screenshot that the jacket he wears does not have pipe seam in the pockets. (Like some (not all) jackets sold by Wested today).

Sorry, that I can't show you the screenshot (it's on the other pc); maybe someone of you can provide it.

neutronbomb
12-08-2010, 04:29 PM
I'll post it Platon, but I need you to be more specific on where this occured. HF was getting punched over and over again throughout the entire sequence. I haven't noticed a no piping pocket flap in there, so I'd like to see it myself.

Gunslinger
12-08-2010, 09:52 PM
I don't know about the piping, but can say that I couldn't see any of those backing tape ripples around the pocket flaps that you see on the Imams / Hawaii jacket.

Mac
12-08-2010, 10:06 PM
I'd agree with NB and Gunslinger that the Hero jacket appears in the Raven and Flying Wing scenes, though I wouldn't rule out that other jackets may also appear in those scenes, especially stunt jackets in the action scenes.

Flying Wing Fight scene:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Jackets/Raiders-FlyingWingTornPocket.jpg

- Mac

Gunslinger
12-08-2010, 10:09 PM
Note the horizontal striations on both the pockets, too.

Kt Templar
12-08-2010, 10:19 PM
Again a very obvious silver coloured zipper. Not the gold of the 'Legend'.

neutronbomb
12-08-2010, 10:23 PM
But wasn't it painted yellow, but then wore off :o

But, we digress from Platons thread.

PLATON
12-10-2010, 03:55 PM
That's the frame.
Almost no piping there.

neutronbomb
12-10-2010, 07:07 PM
Are you saying then that the photo Mac posted is not The Main Hero jacket?

Mac
12-10-2010, 09:32 PM
I’d agree there’s not much piping there, but I believe it's the same as in the photo Platon posted.

Compared to the width of the seam along the back edge of the pocket, at the opening for one’s hands, and also along the bottom scalloped edge of the flap, the top seam is at least twice as wide in the Flying Wing photo (to my eyes).

I think, in Platon’s Raven Bar photo, the piping appears wider from a distance because of the cumulative width of the distressing both above and below the actual seam. Here a comparison of the Wing pocket and Platon’s photo enlarged:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Jackets/PocketPipingDiagram.jpg

When we pull back some distance, the distressing (dust, fuller earth, etc. on the high spots on either side of the seam) runs together and makes the piping appear wider. Anyone else see it that way?

- Mac

RCSignals
12-10-2010, 09:43 PM
I don't know Mac that last photo is pretty blurry.

but it isn't 'piping' it's just a sewn seam. "Piping' indicates a separate added piece usually decorative, often wrapped around cording of some type.

Mac
12-10-2010, 09:55 PM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/PocketPipingDiagramforRC.jpg

Better? ;)

- Mac

RCSignals
12-10-2010, 09:58 PM
Better, but now it just looks like a 'normal' pocket flap top ;)

neutronbomb
12-10-2010, 10:03 PM
I also see it the same as Mac is. Same jacket IMO.

Gunslinger
12-10-2010, 10:13 PM
Yeah, agreed. They look the same to me.

Barney Ross
12-12-2010, 11:44 PM
Ditto. I see no difference.
BARNEY

PLATON
12-13-2010, 04:32 PM
Not so fast....

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3310/pocketpipingdiagram.jpg