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RCSignals
09-20-2010, 04:16 PM
Zippers have been a hot topic of late.

There have been claims that the Indiana Jones jacket may even be too 'early' to have had a zipper.
Evidence shows however that what was to become today's common zipper was first patented in 1891.
USNavy flightsuits were manufactured with a zipper as early as 1918, the 'zipper' having been greatly improved in 1913 by a Swedish engineer, Gideon Sundback. His design is very much like the zipper design familiar today.

The confusion may come from the date the Talon company was formed, which was 1937. The zipper existed before that however, even though early renditions of what was to eventually become the famous A-2 jacket did not use a zipper. That of course is not an indication that a zipper was or could not have been used in any clothing before the A-2 of the early 1930s.

The term 'zipper' seems to have come from the B.F. Goodrich Company who in 1923 added the device to their rubber galoshes.

PLATON
09-20-2010, 05:50 PM
Don't believe this crap.
Talon used to be Universal Fastener Company founded 1893.
Zippers were pretty popular by 1920.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talon_Zipper


Fyi Werber had A-2 contract in 1933. It had zipper.
The movie takes place 1935-36.

RCSignals
09-20-2010, 05:51 PM
what crap Platon? Your Wiki reference is partially correct. The lineage of the company goes back to 1893, but did not formally become 'Talon' until 1937. It had other names before that.

the main point as we both agree is zippers were in existence and use before the late 1930s

PLATON
09-20-2010, 05:53 PM
the crap claims, i.e. "claims that the Indiana Jones jacket may even be too 'early' to have had a zipper."
(pardon my french)

RCSignals
09-20-2010, 05:55 PM
the crap claims, i.e. "claims that the Indiana Jones jacket may even be too 'early' to have had a zipper."
(pardon my french)


I thought that is what you meant ;)

Hollywood
09-21-2010, 12:54 AM
I have an 1923 early SS pair of trousers......they have a zipper. Who comes up with this crap. :angel:

PLATON
09-21-2010, 11:40 AM
Ha ha ha....

RCSignals
09-21-2010, 01:45 PM
So lets pretend for a moment that I-J was a real person and so was his jacket 'real'.
What type or make of zipper would or could his jacket have in that Raiders and Temple of Doom era? Some early A-2s had Hookless, which were riveted at the bottom. There were probably other zippers that were not riveted. Hookless from what I gather became Talon in 1937.

Gunslinger
09-21-2010, 02:12 PM
Sooo... YKK is out? ;)

PLATON
09-21-2010, 02:47 PM
You have to assume that he bought it in England because it's a left sided zipper.

YKK was not around back then I think.

YKK was the reason why Talon went bankrupt by the way.

Kt Templar
09-21-2010, 02:54 PM
I know wiki is not the be all and end all.

However....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YKK_Group

RCSignals
09-21-2010, 05:51 PM
a left sided zipper pull could be anywhere other than the US, but really even in the US and maybe more likely in that time period?
There were obviously zipper manufacturers, YKK, Talon, all had predecessors Companies.
Coates and Clark? Crown? Kwik ?

Indiego Jones
09-21-2010, 05:52 PM
You have to assume that he bought it in England because it's a left sided zipper.
I think he would have Europe to pick the jacket, w/ left zipper pull.

PLATON
09-22-2010, 12:56 PM
Also, I have never seen any wwii or earlier jacket made in the US that was made out of lamb.
I guess if IJ was real he would have to go to England to buy it.

Kt Templar
09-22-2010, 01:40 PM
Historically the US is a very 'Beef-centric' nation. Lamb or mutton is very rarely consumed. So the availability of lamb leather is low. Horse was higher of course because of the working horses.

Source: USDA 2000.

RCSignals
09-22-2010, 04:20 PM
Also, I have never seen any wwii or earlier jacket made in the US that was made out of lamb.
I guess if IJ was real he would have to go to England to buy it.


Lamb specifically you may be right on that. Sheepskin is another issue though and was used for B-3 and similar jackets with the wool on.
It was used in other civilian jackets as well in the same shearling configuration before WW2.
Used as straight skin in the US? Someone will have to do research.

Maybe we should start a thread about what leather a real Indy's jacket would be.

RCSignals
01-07-2011, 05:48 AM
1930 photo

Lieutenants White and McMullen

note the jacket on the left

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/dmar836/image058.jpg

Kt Templar
01-07-2011, 09:08 AM
"HA! Simple photographic trickery, look, half your brother's head is missing!"

Raider S
01-08-2011, 08:33 PM
"HA! Simple photographic trickery, look, half your brother's head is missing!"


Hey, that movie is 25 years old! No fair!

MolaRam
01-09-2011, 11:25 PM
The bow ties just look wrong with the leather jackets.