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Weston
09-12-2010, 02:54 AM
Here's the first Wings Raiders jacket, sent directly to me from Sgt. Hack.

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8605/dsc1059.jpg
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3804/dsc1233u.jpg
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2289/dsc1067ui.jpg

And a few shots, comparing it to my Wings Hero jacket, and my Todd's standard. I thought that would give you guys a good basis for comparison. Todd's jacket has always been the gold standard for accuracy in my mind, and your going to see some very similar details.

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/452/dsc0057y.th.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/dsc0057y.jpg/)
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/4791/dsc0062j.th.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/dsc0062j.jpg/)
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/3191/dsc0063wo.th.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/dsc0063wo.jpg/)

Questions welcome!

Weston

The Last Crusader
09-12-2010, 03:25 AM
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Weston, that jacket looks awesome!!!! Look at those pocket flaps!! And the sleeves look plenty long (Which I haven't seen on other Wings jacket pics)

Looks like you repeated a couple of shots, so I look forward to seeing the other one!

The calfskin looks really nice.

Any observations on your part would be much appreciated!!

BTW, what size is this? If it's the same size as your Naked Cow, do you notice the difference in sleeve length?

Thank you for posting! Feel free to give us as much info and as many pics as you like!!!

Michael

BTW...GREAT PICS!!! :)

Weston
09-12-2010, 03:37 AM
Woops! There, I got rid of the duplicate. This is the one I meant to put up.

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8989/dsc1141.jpg

Just to be clear, this is NOT calfskin. This is antiuque (naked) cowhide. The sleeves are just as long as on the Hero, but slimmer, and the action back works so they don't ride up your forarm when you reach forward. The fit of the jacket is significantly more trim all the way around. This is not a typical Wings jacket by any means! The quaility of construction is there, all the way, but it fits more like a tailored jacket.

Weston

Chewbacca Jones
09-12-2010, 04:19 AM
Well, while I just don't see it as an overall true Raiders, it is one beautiful jacket. Maybe the best USW yet. The changes sound great, and it's too bad I have so many already. Sarge went overboard on his offerings, and I went overboard on buying them! :D Can't wait to see more.

Gunslinger
09-12-2010, 07:51 AM
Good score, Weston. Congrats. The USW's definitely seem to be progressively getting better. Could you post more pics with your arms down at your side and the jacket zipped and unzipped so we can get a proper feel for the body-sleeve length ratio? (And maybe some measurements of that sized jacket?)

Frankly, I'm still VERY curious about the Cooper-Raiders connection. It would be great if that was actually clarified, and how Cooper came to have the patterns of something that was designed by Nadoolman and produced via B&N in England.

djd
09-12-2010, 04:52 PM
Really nice Weston! As soon as it's confirmed that the production ones won't have inner facings I'm going for it :)

crismans
09-12-2010, 05:04 PM
First impressions is that it is the best Wings that I have seen as far as details. There's a couple of things off (for the hardcore SA enthusiast) but overall it is a very impressive effort. I am digging the pocket flaps and I see that they have lengthened the straps. Cut looks more slim (as you said) and the jacket/sleeve ratio, as others have noted, seems much improved. Overall, I'm impressed.

I had all but decided to pass on this one, but one of these in striated lamb?

....hmmm.


And, by the way, thanks very much for posting this, Weston. Looking forward to more of your input here!

The Last Crusader
09-12-2010, 05:05 PM
Thanks, Weston!

In the comparison pics, the hide looks different than your original cowhide. More shiney and less dry looking.

I agree with Kurt; more pics would be great. We are at your mercy as you are the only one who has one. Unless Sarge asked you not to post too many pics, which I can understand.

Since you look so great in your indy gear shots I sure wouldn't mind seeing a pic or two with you geared up in this baby. Perhaps one of your cool action shots!!!

Thanks for the great pics and info!

Michael

Weston
09-12-2010, 05:16 PM
Thanks guys! I really am not holding out on you as far as pictures. We took around a hundred shots, and in everyone of them with it zipped, my hands are at my hips or in my pockets. I even have a "Lord of the Dance" pose for crying out loud, but none with my arms at my sides. Here's one with the jacket open.

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7119/dsc1135.jpg

As to the leather, I do believe it is a better quaility than the leather on my Hero jacket. It seems to be a more consistent thickness throughout. Keep in mind I've been wearing the Hero jacket for a few weeks now, and the Raider jacket still needs to be broken in.

Yeah Michael, I can't wait to get geared up with this one! More pics are coming.

Weston

RCSignals
09-12-2010, 05:26 PM
It does look very good. I understand this jacket is 100% to the pattern of Neil Cooper from 30 years ago.
So people should keep that in mind.

I like the colour of this, it is better than the cowhide Hero colour for Raiders.
According to the Web site (where this jacket now appears as 'the Legend" these will only be available in the cowhide and (striated) lamb.

As many photos as you care to post would be great Weston!

Weston
09-12-2010, 07:19 PM
Here's a few more for now.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6952/dsc1138.jpg
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8855/dsc1072.jpg
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4849/dsc1060h.jpg

Weston

The Last Crusader
09-12-2010, 10:06 PM
??? I am SOOOOOOOOOO all over this jacket!!!

I just hope the fit is right for me! If the sleeve length works for me like yours, Weston, all will be well!

I love that first shot! That action pleat looks great!!!

Keep 'em coming!!!! :D

Michael

Zane
09-12-2010, 10:10 PM
Wow! First thanks Weston for the pics. Then those pocket flaps, I love them! Truly one of my favorites next to Tony's pockets on the CS jacket. Then the back panel love it. Ok, I think I'll be pulling the trigger on a lamb.

bigrex
09-13-2010, 04:56 PM
Better length than previous Wings jackets, nice pocket flaps, good looking leather, pockets still a tad large in my mind, sleeves maybe a little too slim? Kinda looks like a cross between Raiders and Crusade? Overall very nice effect indeed. ^-^

Weston
09-15-2010, 06:16 AM
I know you've had a tough time getting a good fitting jacket from Wings so far Bigrex. This is a much slimmer offering, available in long as well. As to the sleeves, they are more snug than other Wings jackets, but looser than Todd's. I'd say dead on for an ROTLA jacket.

Weston

Noah
09-15-2010, 07:17 AM
Looks awesome Weston!! It fits you really well! :)

crismans
09-15-2010, 08:33 PM
I know that there is a lot of confusion on this in some quarters. I just got off the phone with Myke Redpath (General Manager for Wings) on a possible order. Unless I'm greatly misunderstanding, here it is:

You can order this jacket in either the cowhide (like Weston's) or in the striated lamb with/without facings for the $295 price on their website. You just need to specify whether you want facings or not when you order.

I am not sure about the zipper or other possiblilities on hides. I'd contact Wings directly with any other questions.

RCSignals
09-22-2010, 05:39 PM
Here are photos of the 'striated lamb' jacket to be revealed officially at teh end of the month. (permission was given to post these here.)
The jacket is made in the US.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade1.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade1.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade2.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade2.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade3.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade3.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade4.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade4.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade5.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade5.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade6.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade6.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade7.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade7.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade8.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade8.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade9.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade9.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade10.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade10.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade11.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade11.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade12.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade12.jpg)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/th_StriatedLambUSmade13.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/?action=view&current=StriatedLambUSmade13.jpg)

IfAdventureHasAName
09-22-2010, 08:55 PM
Thank you for sharing the pictures with everyone here, "RCSignals". Much appreciated. :)

Though I know I am going to get chastised for mentioning this since it is such a "heated topic"......if Sgt. Hack would only put a left handed zipper pull on the jacket. I'll :-X now.

RCSignals
09-22-2010, 11:21 PM
when it's zipped up no one will know the difference, RH, LH ;)

IfAdventureHasAName
09-22-2010, 11:41 PM
when it's zipped up no one will know the difference, RH, LH ;)


Very true, sir. :)

By the way, I noticed on the U.S Wings website that the Indy-style "Hero" Horsehide jacket has been pulled. I wonder if that is due to that fact that Sgt. Hack and U.S. Wings will be offering the "Raiders-Legend" jacket in not only in horsehide but, in.....AMERICAN BISON. :question:

Though I am not a fan of heavy hide leather jackets, this bison offering is something I would like to see.

Weston
09-23-2010, 12:29 AM
I just re-read a recent e-mail from Sarge, and it looks like the Horse hide, Calf, and Naked Cow are going to be made off shore, and the other offerings will be made by Schott in NY.

Man, I hope you guys give this one a chance. Mine is breaking in beautifully. I'll take some updated pics for you soon, possibly even some "geared up" shots. If you're lucky enough to get one that fits as good as mine does you'll understand my enthusiasm.

Weston

RCSignals
09-23-2010, 12:47 AM
My understanding is the jackets made in USA will not have zipper facings.
Jackets made 'off shore' will have zipper facings


The Jackets we make in the USA *redacted* will not have a Facing.. As it stands We will offer the Vintage Cowhide.. Striated Lambā€¦Horsehide and Calf.. We will offer the same leather outside the USA but will have a facing ! Both jackets will have a right hand zipper and the only left hand zipper that will be made with come out of my Factory in Elizabeth NJ. And must have a pre paid order of 100 or moreā€¦ No returns and no exchanges.

RCSignals
09-23-2010, 12:56 AM
Weston could you take some measurements of the jacket you have for me? with the zipper done up, and the jacket laying flat, under arms from side to side, and the sleeves from the top of the shoulder to the cuff end?

Thank you

crismans
09-23-2010, 02:17 AM
I went ahead and pre-ordered one of the striated lambskin jackets today. Everyone knows that I've been itching for this for a long time so I couldn't pass it up. I told them to add a note to pull the most "grainy" jacket they have when my order comes up.

Weston, I know you're taking a little bit of "heat" (or it appears that way) on this jacket by the fact you have the only one right now. In my opinion, it's a very nice offering. I think the build-up or hype it received in some quarters became detrimental to what is, essentially, a very nice offering (certainly the most Raiders jacket I've seen from Wings). I'm not asking you to comment as I know you're "on the line" so to speak, but it seems the ones who were most championing it in the past are the ones looking to tear it down now that it's here.

Weston
09-23-2010, 04:44 AM
Here you go RC:

Chest 23 1/2"
Sleeve 25"

Crismans, I'll respond to your comments later tonight when I have access to a real keyboard. I'm using our Wii right now, and am experiencing a new definition of pain and suffering as I try to type!

Weston

RCSignals
09-23-2010, 04:59 AM
Thank you. That is considered a 'Large' I'm guessing

Weston
09-23-2010, 05:11 AM
That's correct RC.

Weston
09-23-2010, 06:06 AM
I went ahead and pre-ordered one of the striated lambskin jackets today. Everyone knows that I've been itching for this for a long time so I couldn't pass it up. I told them to add a note to pull the most "grainy" jacket they have when my order comes up.

Weston, I know you're taking a little bit of "heat" (or it appears that way) on this jacket by the fact you have the only one right now. In my opinion, it's a very nice offering. I think the build-up or hype it received in some quarters became detrimental to what is, essentially, a very nice offering (certainly the most Raiders jacket I've seen from Wings). I'm not asking you to comment as I know you're "on the line" so to speak, but it seems the ones who were most championing it in the past are the ones looking to tear it down now that it's here.


Actually, folks have been tearing at it before it has arrived. I can't answer for what motivates people. I have my opinions, but I'll sit on them. I just want people to be mature in their expectations, keep their speculations in check, and wait until they have the product in hand before they take the maker to task if it is not as advertised.

Weston

crismans
09-23-2010, 01:15 PM
That sounds reasonable to me, but what do I know? ;) ;D

RCSignals
09-23-2010, 11:58 PM
............

By the way, I noticed on the U.S Wings website that the Indy-style "Hero" Horsehide jacket has been pulled. I wonder if that is due to that fact that Sgt. Hack and U.S. Wings will be offering the "Raiders-Legend" jacket in not only in horsehide but, in.....AMERICAN BISON. :question:

Though I am not a fan of heavy hide leather jackets, this bison offering is something I would like to see.


i was wondering what bison would look like, so here it is

a sample piece on top of a cowhide jacket


http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/bison.jpg

IfAdventureHasAName
09-24-2010, 12:20 AM
Fortune and Glory member "RCSignals",
Thank you for posting the comparision picture. Much appreciated. :)

Like the "character" and grain of the bison skin, as I do with the antique cowhide. But, I have no knowledge of the weight and drape of american bison. Hopefully, someone more knowledgable about american bison leather can provide some information.

Gunslinger
09-24-2010, 02:50 AM
Now THAT'S an interesting hide. But I think it's a bit weird for an Indy jacket, especially if it's not very drapey. It'd make a killer half belt though.

crismans
09-24-2010, 02:31 PM
Sarge has said that the leather is "soft as butter" but I don't know how that would reflect on the drape. I have to admit that it is a very interesting leather.

A little further info for those looking at these Wings jackets. If you go to the site, you'll see that there is a new pricing structure in place for the cow and striated lamb for the legend jackets. The higher priced option jacket is union made here in the US and will not have facings. The less expensive option jackets are imported from the US Wings factory overseas and will have leather facings.

Kt Templar
09-24-2010, 02:42 PM
Sarge has said that the leather is "soft as butter" but I don't know how that would reflect on the drape. I have to admit that it is a very interesting leather.

A little further info for those looking at these Wings jackets. If you go to the site, you'll see that there is a new pricing structure in place for the cow and striated lamb for the legend jackets. The higher priced option jacket is union made here in the US and will not have facings. The less expensive option jackets are imported from the US Wings factory overseas and will have leather facings.


Darn they got it the wrong way round. We want cheaper and with no facings!

:angel:

crismans
09-24-2010, 03:15 PM
Darn they got it the wrong way round. We want cheaper and with no facings!

:angel:



Yeah, I was hoping for that way as well. I don't want facings but I'm not sure if I can justify the extra cost for that reason alone.

RCSignals
09-25-2010, 02:11 AM
Some more photos of Bison leather, without flash

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/bison2.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/bison3.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/RCSignals/bison1.jpg