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neutronbomb
09-06-2010, 05:53 PM
«Last Edit: August 05, 2011 by neutronbomb »

This update finalizes where I believe The Main Hero Jacket is used in the film. The only change is adding in the Hawaii Airplane scene.

In order of appearance in the movie (In order filmed is Temple, WOS, Raven Bar, Tunisia, Hawaii):

1. "Where Forrestall Cashed In" (Part of the last sequence of the "Stay Out of the Light" scene): 5:31 - 5:42 (Ford)
2. First Pit Jump: 5:43 - 6:10 (Ford)
3. Temple Chamber Entrance to Second Pit Jump: 6:10 - 8:19 (Ford)
4. Second Pit Jump: 8:19 - 8:38, 8:39 - 9:01 (Ford)
5. Hawaii Airplane: 12:10 - 12:36 (Ford)
6. Raven Bar: 25:43 - 33:37 (Ford)
7. Well of Souls (Except for the Falling Statue Stunt): 58:26 - 1:15:26 (Ford)
8. Flying Wing: 1:15:27 - 1:22:18 (Ford)
9. Horseback: 1:22:18 - 1:22:28, 1:23:02 - 1:23:10, 1:23:25 - 1:23:26 (Ford)
10. Cab Fight/Truck Chase (Up until bullet hole to Indy's left arm scene): 1:23:33 - 1:26:21 (Ford)
11. Bantu Wind Cabin: 1:31:44 - 1:32:02 (Ford)


« Edited: October 14, 2010 by neutronbomb »

Prequel: Fortune and Glory's Indiana Jones Jacket Write-Ups (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=492.0)

I maintain there were three jackets used in the Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark Film. I'll be attempting to show that this is so primarily in three different threads in Fortune And Glory's jacket section: The Imam Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=478.0), The Main Hero Jacket, The Prototype Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=501.0). What I'll be doing is listing the scenes that feature each jacket, in their respective thread, and then showing feature(s) that identify each jacket uniquely and showing those feature(s) and how they appear in the scenes they are featured in.

This Main Hero Jacket thread is the second one of the three listed above for me to attempt to do this. The Imam Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=478.0) is the first that describes a bit more background of this project in the first post. Please don't hesitate to offer feedback. I say The Main Hero IS..... THE JACKET..... used in the following scenes with the time stamps of the scenes the jacket is used in:

1. "Where Forrestall Cashed In" (Part of the last sequence of the "Stay Out of the Light" scene): 5:31 - 5:42
2. First Pit Jump: 5:43 - 6:10
3. Temple Chamber Entrance to Second Pit Jump: 6:10 - 8:19
4. Second Pit Jump: 8:19 - 8:38, 8:39 - 9:01
5. Raven Bar: 25:43 - 33:37
6. Well of Souls (Except for the Falling Statue Stunt): 58:26 - 1:15:26
7. Flying Wing: 1:15:27 - 1:22:18
8. Horseback: 1:22:18 - 1:22:28, 1:23:02 - 1:23:10, 1:23:25 - 1:23:26
9. Cab Fight/Truck Chase (Up until bullet hole to Indy's left arm scene): 1:23:33 - 1:26:21
10. Bantu Wind Cabin: 1:31:44 - 1:32:02

I maintain that in each scene that The Main Hero Jacket is in, it is the only jacket featured in that scene. Same for the other two jackets. The exception is a few stunts where the stunt appears within a scene's framework. The jacket used primarily for these stunts is The Prototype Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=501.0).

Though there isn't much to go on visually, I currently lean towards The Imam Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=478.0) for the "Jump the Pit Martin Grace Stunt: 8:38 - 8:39" and The Prototype Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=501.0) for the "Well of Souls Falling Statue Stunt: 1:14:17 - 1:14:26". However, with the "Jump the Pit Martin Grace Stunt", it looks like The Imam Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=478.0) on film, but The Prototype Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=501.0) in the promo picture and with the "Well of Souls Falling Statue Stunt", it doesn't appear there's a full bi-swing and it looks like it has a lower yoke seam which suggests The Prototype Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=501.0), but possibly The Prototype Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=501.0) was in Tunisia during filming of the "Well of Souls Falling Statue Stunt"?

I feel it is fortunate that there are a few features of The Main Hero Jacket that are dominant, very easily seen, and that appear and show themselves throughout every scene where The Main Hero Jacket is featured, even in the heavy action sequences. The other two jackets used in the Raiders of the Lost Ark Film do NOT share these features........ ever, at anytime. When they display themselves within each scene they are unique identifying features to The Main Hero Jacket specifically, we can identify them as such, and it opens up the rest of the features of The Main Hero Jacket in that scene for use as identifying features also.

So the first identifying feature from the jacket's (Harrison Ford's) perspective is the right side zipper. It presents itself as "The Big C". The way the top half presents especially and how when it's laying open it takes the shape of a "C", usually presenting with the collar stand bent in half causing the collar to fall inwards. The Imam Jacket and The Prototype/Bantu Wind Jacket NEVER present this way.

For instance, look at the following screen grabs of The Main Hero Jacket where we have a good look at the way the zipper presents as '"The Big C":

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20COMPARE%20-%20ZIPPER/Raiders-of-the-Lost-Ark-indiana--7.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20COMPARE%20-%20ZIPPER/r52.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20SCENES%20-%20WELL%20OF%20SOULS/264.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/DVDSnap1684.jpg

neutronbomb
09-07-2010, 12:45 AM
Below I have reprinted something Platon put together last year. It is incredibly accurate in my opinion with only two minor mistakes that are due to optical illusion that I'll be discussing later. He focused primarily I believe on one feature of the Raiders of the Lost Ark jacket(s): the jacket's left hand collar stand.

What I don't know is whether he was suggesting there were only three jackets used in the film or whether he was referring to the different styles or types of jackets used in the film.

I won't mess with his information and will let it stand as is so we can admire the talent he displayed in putting this together. However, I'll address where I differ with Platon's identification of the jackets and identify the different way we describe a few things for clarification and reconciling the difference in the terms used to describe how I refer to the jackets vs how Platon referred to them.

1. I refer to The Bantu Wind jacket as The Prototype Jacket
2. I refer to The Hawaii Jacket as The Imam Jacket
3. I refer to The Temple Jacket as The Main Hero Jacket
4. I believe the entire Raven Bar scene shoot is The Main Hero Jacket
5. I believe the entire Flying Wing scene shoot is The Main Hero Jacket
6. I believe parts of the Temple scene shoot have The Imam Jacket
7. I believe that both The Main Hero Jacket and The Imam Jacket have pointed collar ends and squared off collar stand ends and the rounding appearance of the collar stand end on The Main Hero Jacket is due to optical illusion. Though for the most part this rounding illusion appearance does work as a unique identifying feature, in a few instances when the actual squared off shape becomes visible it can cause some misidentification of the jacket.

PLATON Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:10 am
"So I am guessing, until now we have the following jackets

1. The Bantu Wind jacket (Bantu Wind boarding scene, publicity shots)
--------------------------
Small and short squared tip collar, low yoke, different size & pocket placement, 80s fit, narrow sleeves, maybe a little short

2. The Hawaii jacket (TN) (Hawaii outside temple, Raven bar after fight, Imam's house, wing fight some scenes, truck chase some scenes)
--------------------------
Large collar Squared tip at storm flap See TN details,

3. The Temple jacket (inside temple, Raven bar before fight, at the dig, inside ark chamber, wing fight, truck chase)
----------------------
Baggier fit, high yoke, long collar, left collar tip rounded - right collar tip pointed, (appears with short collar in Raven bar), rounded storm flap tip, longer pockets, torn right pocket,

That's how I see it at least...


Hawaii
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/th_018-1.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/?action=view&current=018-1.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/018-1.jpg

Imam's house
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/th_208-1.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/?action=view&current=208-1.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/208-1.jpg
Watch left collar side

Please note this jacket is different
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/th_148-1.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/?action=view&current=148-1.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/148-1.jpg

than this
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/th_119-2.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/?action=view&current=119-2.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/119-2.jpg

which is the same with this
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/th_233-1.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/?action=view&current=233-1.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/233-1.jpg

Hawaii jacket here
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/th_318-1.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/?action=view&current=318-1.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/318-1.jpg

Temple jacket here
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/th_305-1.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/?action=view&current=305-1.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/305-1.jpg
"



PLATON Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:00 pm
"So there you have it.
Two different jackets, two different collars

Temple Jacket

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/th_collar1jt3.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/?action=view&current=collar1jt3.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/collar1jt3.jpg

Characteristics: Smaller collar lapels. Right collar lapel pointed, left collar lapel rounded, rounded storm flap tip.

Don't you agree that all the collars in the above photos look the same?


Hawaii Jacket
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/th_collar2zi7.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/?action=view&current=collar2zi7.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/collar2zi7.jpg

Characteristics: Larger collar lapels. Both lapels same size and shape, squared storm flap tip.

This collar looks more stiff. Especially the right lapel does not seem to lose its slight "S" shape. Look photos first row third from the left and compare with second row first, second and third pic from the left.

Notice also that the left lapel look the same in all the pics."

PLATON
09-07-2010, 11:12 AM
Good that you saved that. I don't even have it myself anymore.

I named the jackets according to which scene they appeared for the first time.

Re the rounded tip of the collar stand there are some very clear shots tha show it. Are they all illusions?

Gunslinger
09-07-2010, 12:01 PM
Bryan, as you know I'm with Platon on the collar stand thing - I really don't think it's an illusion. You can see the stitches.

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/Round-collar-stand.jpg

Hero jacket, right there Platon! ;)

neutronbomb
09-07-2010, 03:48 PM
If you watch in slow motion or even frame by frame the truck cab fight up until HF gets shot in the arm and you focus on that aspect of HF's left side collar stand I think it is easily seen that it is incredibly thin and flops, twists, rolls (like those who are able to roll their tongues), and the very tip edge can be seen to bend backward especially in the very first part of the Truck Cab fight where he's fighting with Terry Leonard. Frame by Frame through all the scenes where The Main Jacket is worn in the Film by HF will show a very pointy collar stand edge and you can watch the optical illusion happen where it rolls inward (this is where that crease happened that you coined the "buttcrack") and tip of the pointy edge curls. But, the truck cab fight scene is good for seeing this has you get a lot of play with the bouncing of the truck.

Took a couple of sceencaps. Lots more probably better ones, but pressed for time right now:
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/th_DVDSnap1685.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/?action=view&current=DVDSnap1685.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/DVDSnap1685-1.jpg


http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/th_DVDSnap1686.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/?action=view&current=DVDSnap1686.jpg)

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/th_DVDSnap1687.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/?action=view&current=DVDSnap1687.jpg)

neutronbomb
09-07-2010, 07:04 PM
Good that you saved that. I don't even have it myself anymore.

I named the jackets according to which scene they appeared for the first time.

Re the rounded tip of the collar stand there are some very clear shots tha show it. Are they all illusions?


It's just what I think, but either way it is a useful identifier. It's just that when it moves into a different position and you see the sharp pointy edge that it can cause problems. For instance, I've blown this one up of the Raven Bar that you used above. To me, from this angle you can see where there is a fold or bend around the half way point in the collar stand. There's no question to me that it's the same jacket as the other Raven Bar photo you show above where it presents as rounded. I think if we switch our focus over to the other side and look at the collar/zipper/etc it matches the WOS, Flying Wing, and Idol Grab jacket pictured above.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/148-2.jpg



Same Jacket:
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/Round-collar-stand.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/DVDSnap1685-1.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/148-2.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTA%20-%20Temple%20and%20Hawaii%20jackets/305-1-1.jpg

Gunslinger
09-07-2010, 10:09 PM
If you watch in slow motion or even frame by frame the truck cab fight up until HF gets shot in the arm and you focus on that aspect of HF's left side collar stand I think it is easily seen that it is incredibly thin and flops, twists, rolls (like those who are able to roll their tongues), and the very tip edge can be seen to bend backward especially in the very first part of the Truck Cab fight where he's fighting with Terry Leonard. Frame by Frame through all the scenes where The Main Jacket is worn in the Film by HF will show a very pointy collar stand edge and you can watch the optical illusion happen where it rolls inward (this is where that crease happened that you coined the "buttcrack") and tip of the pointy edge curls. But, the truck cab fight scene is good for seeing this has you get a lot of play with the bouncing of the truck.

Took a couple of sceencaps. Lots more probably better ones, but pressed for time right now:
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/th_DVDSnap1685.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/?action=view&current=DVDSnap1685.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/DVDSnap1685-1.jpg


http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/th_DVDSnap1686.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/?action=view&current=DVDSnap1686.jpg)

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/th_DVDSnap1687.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Truck/?action=view&current=DVDSnap1687.jpg)


These shots are interesting, as my thoughts are the reverse of yours - I think that it is round but there is an illusion of a point from certain angles. This seems kind of extreme though - It's a damn shame they're motion-blurred. I'll see if I can get a sharper version of that shot.

PLATON
09-08-2010, 09:07 AM
OK, this is more likely tobe an illusion than the illusion of back being longer than it really is.

neutronbomb
09-08-2010, 02:58 PM
OK, this is more likely tobe an illusion than the illusion of back being longer than it really is.



I don't think it's about longer or shorter than it really is. It is what it is right? It's just that maybe the eye sees it as looking elongated or stretched out. Isn't the Harvest Moon or whatever supposedly an optical illusion. It is what it is right, but sometimes near the horizon the moon looks like 50 times bigger and closer.

For me, I really think it's not necessarily about WHAT you see, but more about UNDERSTANDING and correctly interpreting what you see.

Anyway, I've got the photos in the thread discussing this back up Platon so we can use that thread to discuss some of these optical illusions more in depth if you want. I changed the name also so we can open it up for other stuff other than just jacket length.

http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=450.0

PLATON
09-08-2010, 05:57 PM
I want to say one thing.

Steve Delk and Mark based the hat they make on what we see on screen.
Nobody had an original hat to copy. Weren't there any illusions about the hat? or the shirt, or the bag?

Why do we see only illusions about the jacket (I don't say they are not)
It's a mystery...

Gunslinger
09-08-2010, 09:03 PM
There are a bunch of hat illusions, most of which are created by light and shadow on the shape.

Tyderium
09-09-2010, 07:16 AM
Another image of the Main Jacket.



http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1559/167466750ad61ec7d3eo.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/167466750ad61ec7d3eo.jpg/)

Gunslinger
09-09-2010, 11:36 AM
THAT'S a new one. Cool badarse shot.

crismans
09-09-2010, 08:17 PM
Nice! I haven't seen that pic before.

neutronbomb
09-25-2010, 08:23 PM
Updated the first posts in the following jacket threads: The Imam Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=478.0), The Main Hero Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=500.0), The Prototype Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=501.0) with the time stamps of where they appear in the film.

Here's a look at the first moment in the Ellstree shooting schedule as seen on film in the Temple scene where they switch from The Imam Jacket first used in the Imam's house, Temple Entrance/Spiders on Back, and "Stay Out of the Light" sequences to The Main Hero Jacket. This is great for comparison because we can see the jackets when they were relatively fresh, both used basically for the same scene, with The Imam Jacket used for the "Stay Out of the Light" part of the scene and The Main Hero used for the "Where Forrestall Cashed In" (dead Forrestall on spikes) part of the scene.

These indicators that show the differences in these two jackets are consistent throughout the film even throughout action sequences. The 45 degree crease on The Main Hero Jacket's right side collar that goes to the tip can be seen to evolve over time. The collar stand on that side gradually folds completely in half causing the whole collar assembly to fall inward and the zipper remains in a nice folded out "C" shape throughout The Main Hero Jacket's appearance throughout the film. The other side of the collar on The Main Hero Jacket has a very visible deep crease along the length of the front of the collar stand and the collar itself and the collar tip have a different shape than The Imam Jacket.

The cutoff portion of the text at the bottom is 'arrow shows "C" shape'.
Comparison Collage: The Main Hero Jacket ("Where Forrestall Cashed In") vs The Imam Jacket ("Stay Out of the Light"):
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Temple%20Light/th_DVDSnap130-1-1.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Temple%20Light/?action=view&current=DVDSnap130-1-1.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Temple%20Light/DVDSnap130-1-1.jpg

The Main Hero Jacket:
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Temple%20Light/th_DVDSnap139.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Temple%20Light/?action=view&current=DVDSnap139.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Temple%20Light/DVDSnap139.jpg

The Imam Jacket:
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Temple%20Light/th_DVDSnap130.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Temple%20Light/?action=view&current=DVDSnap130.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Temple%20Light/DVDSnap130.jpg

Gunslinger
09-25-2010, 09:03 PM
Very nice comparison frames Bryan. Are we sure it's the Imam's, or couldit be the Bantu wind? Either way, check out this shot:

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/stunts2587.jpg

See his right hand collar how the first 3/4 of an inch of the seam is kind of elevated? Hmmm.

neutronbomb
09-25-2010, 10:52 PM
There's no doubt that this is the Imam jacket.

The Imam Jacket:
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Temple%20Light/th_DVDSnap130.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Temple%20Light/?action=view&current=DVDSnap130.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/1-DVD%20SNAP-Temple%20Light/DVDSnap130.jpg

It matches feature after feature throughout the film where we see this jacket used. For instance, on The Imam Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=478.0) thread in the following scenes below we can see the jacket matches exactly what is shown in the above photo, however, in those scenes we can also clearly see it has the full bi-swing, different strap attachment, and off-set yoke and arm seams (giving a smaller yoke panel), amongst other features that match the jacket seen in the Imam film scene and that is shared by The Main Hero Jacket but that The Prototype Jacket/Bantu Wind "still" jacket/Truck Drag Stunt Jacket does NOT have.

1. Imam: 46:38 - 49:28
2. Temple Entrance/Spiders on Back: 4:09 - 5:11
3. "Stay Out of the Light" (except for the last sequence of the scene titled: "Where Forrestall Cashed In"): 5:11 - 5:30
4. Jump the Pit Martin Grace Stunt: 8:38 - 8:39
5. Out Before the Lock: 9:02 - 9:07
6. Dead Satipo: 9:07 - 9:21
7. Boulder Run: 9:21 - 9:38
8. Bullet Hole Cab Fight Forward (With the exception of the "Through the Window" and "Truck Drag" stunt scenes): Starting at 1:26:21
9. Hawaii Approach: 00:00 - 4:09
10. Hawaii Exit: 9:38 - jump in the river (The Main Hero possibly used in the Hawaii Plane scene)

Since this is a behind the scenes photo below, I wonder if Terry is wearing The Imam Jacket when this was taken. There are several behind the scenes photos of Terry Leonard wearing a jacket that I'd like to explore more as time permits and some of which I've previously thought looked like the jacket that is featured in the Hawaii scene (The Imam Jacket). Martin Grace wore the Imam jacket for the jumping the pit stunt in the Temple scene so maybe Terry was also wearing it around while practicing and setting up for the truck drag stunt. That's just pure speculation for sure, but a few things I'm certain of: First, the actual jacket we see on film that Terry Leonard wears for the truck drag stunt is nothing like The Main Hero and The Imam jackets. Second, there ARE "truck drag" behind the scenes photos of Terry Leonard wearing The Prototype Jacket/Truck Drag Film Stunt Jacket. Third, The Imam Jacket is Not The Prototype Jacket as seen on film and that we see Terry Leonard wear on film for the Truck Drag Stunt sequence. And 4th, the jacket's right side collar in the photo below does look exactly like The Imam Jacket. It's a shame we can't see some of the other features of the jacket in that photo like the other side of the collar, etc. hmmmm........yet another project. LOL.
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/stunts2587.jpg

The collar shape where I've circled is a pretty dead on match to The Imam Jacket and the arrows show a heavy line of a fold/crease that can be seen in The Imam Jacket and also the jacket used in the Hawaii scene (I believe it's also The Imam Jacket). I'll explore that more as one of the features in The Imam Jacket (http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=478.0) thread.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Yojimbo%20Pics/th_stunts2587.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Yojimbo%20Pics/?action=view&current=stunts2587.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Yojimbo%20Pics/stunts2587.jpg

Gunslinger
09-26-2010, 02:15 AM
Yeah, I get into the groove with this stuff and am really firing and then go away for a while and then find it hard to remember which feature was what. What you're saying makes sense.

neutronbomb
09-27-2010, 01:40 PM
I hear ya Gunslinger. I think I'll be able to get the prototype jacket up today. I took a closer look at that photo of Terry Leonard and I'm pretty certain it's the prototype jacket. It's a beast though with the way that collar presents with the shape and angle and everything.

neutronbomb
08-05-2011, 06:30 PM
Here's what I've updated on the first post of this thread:


«Last Edit: August 05, 2011 by neutronbomb »

This update finalizes where I believe The Main Hero Jacket is used in the film. The only change is adding in the Hawaii Airplane scene.

In order of appearance in the movie (In order filmed is Temple, WOS, Raven Bar, Tunisia, Hawaii):

1. "Where Forrestall Cashed In" (Part of the last sequence of the "Stay Out of the Light" scene): 5:31 - 5:42 (Ford)
2. First Pit Jump: 5:43 - 6:10 (Ford)
3. Temple Chamber Entrance to Second Pit Jump: 6:10 - 8:19 (Ford)
4. Second Pit Jump: 8:19 - 8:38, 8:39 - 9:01 (Ford)
5. Hawaii Airplane: 12:10 - 12:36 (Ford)
6. Raven Bar: 25:43 - 33:37 (Ford)
7. Well of Souls (Except for the Falling Statue Stunt): 58:26 - 1:15:26 (Ford)
8. Flying Wing: 1:15:27 - 1:22:18 (Ford)
9. Horseback: 1:22:18 - 1:22:28, 1:23:02 - 1:23:10, 1:23:25 - 1:23:26 (Ford)
10. Cab Fight/Truck Chase (Up until bullet hole to Indy's left arm scene): 1:23:33 - 1:26:21 (Ford)
11. Bantu Wind Cabin: 1:31:44 - 1:32:02 (Ford)

I'll be able to work on getting some pics up soon.

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd
08-09-2011, 12:57 AM
:o Thanks again NB

neutronbomb
08-09-2011, 01:13 AM
This post is to track a few more of the features of The Main Hero Jacket through the movie. The features in this post are:
1. Accordion "W" Collar Stand (Accordion spelled wrong in the photos)
2. Zipper Tape Width
3. Upside Down "V"
4. Ribby Striations

I see the jacket's right side collar stand acting like an accordion. For the most part a form of a sideways "W". The first two photos in the WOS is to show the full "W".
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features1.jpg


The next two photos in the WOS is to show the same set up really but with the bottom part of the "W" more extended.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features2.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features3.jpg


Temple photos of the 2nd pit jump. Right before and fighting to climb up.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features4.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features5.jpg


This shows the 'Temple fighting to climb up' and 'Flying Wing stomach punch' are the same jacket.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features6.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features65.jpg


Throughout Raven Bar.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features7.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features8.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainhero_Features9.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features10.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features11.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features12.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features13.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features14.jpg


Well of Souls.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features15.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features16.jpg


Throughout Flying Wing.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features17.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features18.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features19.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features20.jpg


Horseback.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features21.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features22.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features23.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features24.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features25.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features26.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features27.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features28.jpg


Truck Chase.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features29.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features30.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features31.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features32.jpg


And a few of the Temple.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features33.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket%20-%20Right%20Collar/TheMainHero_Features34.jpg

neutronbomb
08-09-2011, 01:24 AM
Sure :toast:

So I ran out of time, but those are the 4 features I see in the jacket used in the Hawaii airplane scene and wanted to get the airplane jacket matched up as I recently added it to the time stamps of The Main Hero Jacket. I'll work on getting some screen grabs up of that scene.





:o Thanks again NB

Gunslinger
08-10-2011, 12:32 AM
Great work, mate.

Raskolnikov
08-10-2011, 12:16 PM
Wow

neutronbomb
08-18-2011, 09:40 PM
Thanks Rask. I might have forgotten, but I think at one point you mentioned you are from Spain. I was there in May with some friends celebrating their birthday in a Villa in the hills of Mijas overlooking the coast. Madrid to Sevilla to Rhonda to Marbella to Mijas. Loved them all. Beautiful country. Took like 2,000 photos or something. Totally addicted to the Spanish Wine, Tapas, Olive Oil, Olives, and JAMON. Super Expensive in the US that Jamon. Found a place in Pacific Beach that sells it. Found some very nice Spanish Wines at World Foods Market. Surprised they're only like $8 a bottle. So my new fav is homemade Tapas with french bread drizzled in Spanish Olive Oil, topped with Jamon and a Spanish cheese, and then topped with a Spanish Olive. Nothing comes close to the flavor of the Spanish Olive.

Hows that Goatskin ROTLA jacket doing? Does it need a new home yet ;D



Wow




Thanks Gunslinger. But many of these connections were your ideas. You spotted the Hawaii Airplane as a possible Main Hero Jacket awhile back in one of your threads. Hope things are going good for you out there in the outback.



Great work, mate.



Here's my thoughts on the the airplane jacket breakdown. I believe it's The Main Hero Jacket. Below is several comparison collages with different features the jacket Ford wears in the Hawaii airplane scene has with The Main Hero Jacket spread throughout various scenes in the film.

I see five features:
1. Accordion "W" Collar Stand - the front edge of the collar stand
2. Zipper Tape Width - located right below the collar stand
3. Upside Down "V" - on the front edge of the collar stand
4. Ribby Striations - on the jacket's right side chest panel
5. Diagonal Collar Fold

Click the thumbnails below, then click again for 100%. Trust me on this. It's easier on the eyes.

Comparison 1 & 2: focused primarily on the Accordion "W" Collar Stand.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/th_airplane_compare1.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/?action=view&current=airplane_compare1.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/airplane_compare1.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/th_airplane_compare2.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/?action=view&current=airplane_compare2.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/airplane_compare2.jpg


Comparison 3: focused on the Diagonal Collar Fold.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/th_airplane_compare3.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/?action=view&current=airplane_compare3.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/airplane_compare3.jpg


Comparison 4: focused on examining three other features. Zipper Tape Width, Upside Down "V", and Ribby Striations. Color coded in yellow, purple, blue respectively.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/th_airplane_compare4.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/?action=view&current=airplane_compare4.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/airplane_compare4.jpg


Comparison 5: focused specifically on the ribby striations.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/th_airplane_compare5.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/?action=view&current=airplane_compare5.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/airplane_compare5.jpg


Comparison 6: focused on the collar stand edge with the bottom showing a match for the Upside Down "V" feature.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/th_airplane_compare6.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/?action=view&current=airplane_compare6.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/airplane_compare6.jpg


Here's a few full sized that I liked that I thought showed some of the features well.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/th_airplanejacket_collarstand03.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/?action=view&current=airplanejacket_collarstand03.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/airplanejacket_collarstand03.jpg


http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/th_airplanejacket_collarstand035.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/?action=view&current=airplanejacket_collarstand035.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/airplanejacket_collarstand035.jpg



http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/airplanejacket_features015.jpg


http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/The%20Airplane%20Jacket%20-%20Features/airplanejacket_features065.jpg

Gunslinger
08-19-2011, 02:42 AM
Thanks Gunslinger. But many of these connections were your ideas. You spotted the Hawaii Airplane as a possible Main Hero Jacket awhile back in one of your threads. Hope things are going good for you out there in the outback.


Mate, I can't even remember any more. You and I have spoken so long about this stuff, I think I reached a point where theorising stopped and it just became set in my mind which was which - certain features and whatnot.

You've just done such an awesome job of putting ALL of that stuff into a coherent order and explained it all so well that slightly more normal people can comprehend it all! ;)

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd
08-19-2011, 04:01 AM
Great stuff, and that is the main hero in the plane no doubt. It must have been in pretty bad shape after this and the squib?



http://i.imgur.com/ixcxp.png

so it was a good choice for getting soaked and crashing a plane in :afro:

RCSignals
08-19-2011, 04:30 AM
Yes, but I don't think it was the drag jacket was it?

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd
08-19-2011, 05:05 AM
He was wearing the main "Hero" jacket being dragged on the road behind the truck. :o Even more amusing for those who hold this jacket as their holy grail, they then squibbed it and blew the arm apart. Note the drag marks / dust under the arm in the collage. So it was detonated. Bye bye hero jacket.


the time stamps too. so there. but I know shite to be honest. :lolhit:

neutronbomb
08-19-2011, 05:14 AM
Thanks HWalton (man you have a long name ;)). I personally see the HF drag and squib jacket as The Imam Jacket. I'll work on the Imam thread a bit next. This is something if I remember correctly that Gunslinger and I may not agree on. In my time stamps I have the HF part of the drag attributed to The Imam Jacket (#11 in the time stamp) and The Prototype Jacket attributed to the Leonard part of the drag (#8 in the time stamp). They cut back and forth a few times during the drag sequence between Leonard and Ford.

Gunslinger
08-19-2011, 07:31 AM
Yeah, I revised that little part of my theory after that stage. I still think that Ford's truck drag jacket looks like it's the Hero / Main Jacket (Based on the collar shape and zipper curl), but after some research I did with Neutronbomb, am pretty much convinced the one they squibbed was the Hawaii. (I posted some closeups of what looks like a dark mark on the sleeve.) I even asked this of Tony - IE "Hey mate, did that jacket you examined have damage to the upper arm that had been repaired?" Tony kind of started to answer, them um'ed and ah'ed and then said in a completely different ~unconvincing~ tone "I don't remember" or something like that. :D So I took that as enough confirmation for me.

PLATON
11-15-2011, 11:54 AM
Great stuff guys, keep it coming.
Nothing is mentioned about the piping seam of the pocket flap.
I believe there is a difference there between the hawaii (imam) and main hero jacket.

Also, if the main hero has piped seam in the pocket flaps, then the wing flying scene jacket is no the main hero (no piped seam there)

Any ideas? screen grabs?

neutronbomb
11-15-2011, 02:35 PM
Hi Platon. I'll work on getting those side by sides you requested. But, it won't happen overnight. Too much on my plate right now. But I will work on it in the coming days. I still have to complete the HF truck drag analysis. I have everything, I just need to put it all together. Gunslinger was correct I think. His posting the behind the scene truck drag photo and pointing out some of the details were really good pick ups. I spent some time in the making of and great stunt videos and it does look like they did use the Imam jacket for that after all.

As far as the piping. I believe 100% the entire flying wing sequence is the Main Hero. I think it's a mistake to look at just the piping in one or two frames. I've been working on putting together something for you on this too. I call it the "bad pocket". The front stitching is undone on the jacket's right front pocket. You can see it clearly in the temple, raven, 1st half cab fight, and yes, the flying wing sequence. I believe I commented on this in the jacket pocket thread about this very subject you started awhile ago.

Also, one other suggestion is to look at the scene around the "pipping seam" shot you are focused on and see other aspects of the jacket like the collar/collar stand before any scene cuts that clearly identify the jacket. A frame by frame look gives pretty good insight into things like this IMO.

RCSignals
11-16-2011, 06:44 AM
I'm sure everyone knows it's not actually 'piping', even though that term is commonly used on the forums. Piping is a separate piece of cloth or leather often wrapped around a cording of some sort to give shape, and used as trim. What is at the top of the pocket is simply a sewn seam.

Gunslinger
11-16-2011, 06:45 AM
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/GunslingerAU/piping.jpg

lets call it that as i wont have to redo my cap. :)

RCSignals
11-16-2011, 07:44 AM
That stitch line doesn't seem so close to the top edge in that cap. Is it the same jacket Platon is referring to?

PLATON
11-16-2011, 02:54 PM
There is a better frame in this scene where you can see that the pocket flap is stitched to the jacket with a seam so close to the top edge, the same with what is used to sew the patch pocket, i.e. a seam of 1/8 of an inch. Meaning, no piping at all i.e. not good looking.

neutronbomb
11-28-2011, 11:41 PM
Ok Platon, here's the compare I put together regarding The Main Hero Jacket's right front pocket. I'm not looking at the top flap seam/"piping per se, because my focus on this particular post is to help confirm that the jacket in these different scenes are the same one: The Main Hero Jacket. If you are seeing differences in the top flap seam/"piping" on these, I believe it likely has to do with distressing, angle, lighting, etc. because I believe they are all of the same jacket. The one that is not clearly shown in the "bad pocket" composite is the Raven Scene Jacket. My memory failed me in my previous post quoted here where I mentioned the Raven Bar. It was actually the WOS. However, there are other matches that show all these jackets are the same one. One of which is the jacket's right side collar stand match which is shown throughout these scenes here: http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=500.msg18064#msg18064 and which includes multiple examples throughout the entire Raven Bar sequence. I believe the "bad pocket" composite is just another match confirmation that shows the time stamps for The Main Hero Jacket are holding up so far.

"Bad Pocket" composite. Undone stitching on the inside edge of the jacket's right front pocket.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket/th_badpocket_compare.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket/?action=view&current=badpocket_compare.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket/badpocket_compare.jpg

Here's a fairly poor quality from the raven bar. I think it's there though.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket/badpocket_raven.jpg




Hi Platon. I'll work on getting those side by sides you requested. But, it won't happen overnight. Too much on my plate right now. But I will work on it in the coming days. I still have to complete the HF truck drag analysis. I have everything, I just need to put it all together. Gunslinger was correct I think. His posting the behind the scene truck drag photo and pointing out some of the details were really good pick ups. I spent some time in the making of and great stunt videos and it does look like they did use the Imam jacket for that after all.

As far as the piping. I believe 100% the entire flying wing sequence is the Main Hero. I think it's a mistake to look at just the piping in one or two frames. I've been working on putting together something for you on this too. I call it the "bad pocket". The front stitching is undone on the jacket's right front pocket. You can see it clearly in the temple, raven, 1st half cab fight, and yes, the flying wing sequence. I believe I commented on this in the jacket pocket thread about this very subject you started awhile ago.

Also, one other suggestion is to look at the scene around the "pipping seam" shot you are focused on and see other aspects of the jacket like the collar/collar stand before any scene cuts that clearly identify the jacket. A frame by frame look gives pretty good insight into things like this IMO.




Great stuff guys, keep it coming.
Nothing is mentioned about the piping seam of the pocket flap.
I believe there is a difference there between the hawaii (imam) and main hero jacket.

Also, if the main hero has piped seam in the pocket flaps, then the wing flying scene jacket is no the main hero (no piped seam there)

Any ideas? screen grabs?

Gunslinger
11-29-2011, 01:40 AM
Yep it looks like Deb went a bit crazy with the pocket knife and sandpaper there and blew the stitching.

neutronbomb
01-13-2012, 06:47 PM
It looks like in addition to using The Main Hero Jacket for the Airplane sequence in the Hawaii scene, they also used it for the Paramount Mountain sequence. Watch the first couple of minutes of the video.

Left Collar Foldover Match:
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket/th_themainhero_leftcollarfoldovercomposite1.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket/?action=view&current=themainhero_leftcollarfoldovercomposite1.j pg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket/themainhero_leftcollarfoldovercomposite1.jpg


Hawaii screencap taken from 1:16-1:17 min. from the video below. The right side collar stand "W" can also be seen.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket/th_themainhero_leftcollarfoldover4.png (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket/?action=view&current=themainhero_leftcollarfoldover4.png)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20The%20Main%20Hero%20Jacket/themainhero_leftcollarfoldover4.png

<a href="http://vimeo.com/36011979">

BTW Platon: I found what I had been thinking of in regards to the Raven Bar "Bad Pocket" and inserted it below the composite photo of my "bad pocket" post below.

neutronbomb
01-14-2012, 12:36 AM
What's great is that in watching the video in the post below, it shows HF with the collar popped up per the screencap but as the camera follows him into the paramount setup he readjusts the jacket and the collar falls back down.

neutronbomb
02-05-2012, 10:09 PM
Updated the video insertion of Raiding the lost Ark in my post a few back. The blog is here: http://filmumentaries.com/2012/02/raiding-press-release/

djd
10-05-2012, 07:17 PM
Wow. Watching the deleted scenes in the making of doc on the bluray set for the first time. It's a pretty smooth leather isn't it? And also quite light in colour

neutronbomb
10-06-2012, 01:01 AM
Well once I figure out how to do screen grabs and play the blu rays on my Mac I'll also be able to check it out.

TheExit148
10-06-2012, 12:51 PM
Wow. Watching the deleted scenes in the making of doc on the bluray set for the first time. It's a pretty smooth leather isn't it? And also quite light in colour
Just watched it last night. Near the beginning, there is a deleted scene and you full on get a good look at the jacket. It looks like a very smooth leather, that is just beat up, which has some of the grain slightly showing. I think the colour of the jacket looks that way because of the filter on the scene, and the lighting.

Kt Templar
10-07-2012, 10:42 PM
Just watched the first couple of BHTS docos, Wow! As that jacket light coloured and smooth or what? and very thin, just watch the bit where they are pulling at it in the bar scene rehearsals.

Also loving all the outtakes and alternate shots, the chemistry between the 2 leads is fantastic.

djd
10-08-2012, 07:21 AM
The chemistry is good but it also shows that Speilberg picked the right takes for the final cut... Great documentary and worth the purchase price of the BluRay set alone

Gunslinger
10-08-2012, 07:30 AM
It's definitely light coloured, but it's not that smooth. Remember these behind the scenes things were shot on film in low light, most likely with 16mm film. Lots of murking of fine detail. Having said that, to me, the striations were really popping in ways you never saw them on screen in the Idol Grab sets.

But agreed guys. Of all the stuff at my fingertips in that whole set, the first thing I went for was the BTS. Some great moments and lots of freestyling with the script, for sure..

neutronbomb
11-28-2012, 01:45 AM
I'm not sure it's so light colored. There's several behind the scenes of the jackets that show the color all over the place. The first 5 are of The Main Hero.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Jacket%20Color/RFdx9.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Jacket%20Color/DVDSnap1296.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Jacket%20Color/DVDSnap1315.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Jacket%20Color/DVDSnap1337.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Jacket%20Color/picture7q.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Jacket%20Color/Screenshot2011-10-05at72656AM.png
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Jacket%20Color/Screenshot2011-10-18at73214AM.png

Gunslinger
11-28-2012, 02:48 AM
Yeah, I guess I'm saying it's not ~dark~ brown, though it appears that way in the desert scenes especially. It only looks that way with the stills because production stills would have been taken in 1980/81 or so with something like a Nikon F3 where you would set F stop and it automatically cranks shutter speed to suit. In that light, you'd go F16 or so to block out all the extra light glinting off the sand /etc, and the camera aperture closes down so it skews anything remotely dark even darker - vs. very low F stops for the interiors - everything is murky so the jacket skews more like milk chocolate. Motion picture film obviously reacts similarly.

Total guess, but I think it was more like the Raven shot in the middle there where he's holding his front lapels with the stunt dude standing in the background.

TheExit148
07-16-2013, 01:21 PM
So I'm going through my 1080p rip of Raiders (I own the blu-ray, don't worry ;) ) and have started capturing HD screens of the jackets. Here is what I have so far for the "Hero" jacket. I'll be working through the remaining pieces of the film and uploading, as well as finishing off the "Iman/Hawaii" jacket as well. I hope this provides some more clear shots of the details we want. Click the gear in the top right corner to view the full size.

Raiders Hero Jacket (http://imgur.com/a/AqngB#13)

neutronbomb
07-16-2013, 02:55 PM
Cool! Now we're talkin' :) just need to find a couple of hours to explore what you've done.

K-Wad
07-17-2013, 12:57 AM
Those are some awesome screen-grabs there!
You can really see the texture of the leather.

There's one scene in the behind-the-scenes documentary that I'd love to see a screen-grab of. It's the deleted scene where Indy helps Sapito out of a hole in the ground when they are entering the temple. It has some great close-ups of the back of the jacket and it is well lit, and has not yet been color-timed (which seems to make everything in the movie darker). Might get some really good detail off of that one.

TheExit148
07-18-2013, 12:28 AM
Here is the updated link. I had to create a new account as I had too many images.

Raiders Hero Jacket Pictures (http://imgur.com/a/NE5k4#0)

Indiego Jones
01-06-2014, 10:29 PM
Cool! Now we're talkin' :) just need to find a couple of hours to explore what you've done.

Looking for HQ res pictures? Knock yourself up!
http://movie-screencaps.com/category/movie-series/indiana-jones/

cropdustdair
01-07-2014, 05:11 AM
Thanks for this link! This is awesome for gear reference! Much appreciated!

neutronbomb
01-07-2014, 02:28 PM
Yes! Very nice.

crismans
01-07-2014, 10:34 PM
Thanks for the link! But I'm going to have to respectfully decline on "knocking myself up"! ;)

Indiego Jones
01-07-2014, 10:44 PM
Thanks for the link! But I'm going to have to respectfully decline on "knocking myself up"! ;)

LOL!!!!! My bad!
I meant "knock yourself OUT"....right?