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Gunslinger
08-01-2010, 10:34 AM
Let's get some more product reviews up in all the categories, guys! Here's a "reprint" of my recent custom...

Ok, I'm done. This is IT. I have the perfect Raiders jacket now. I can quit obsessing and nitpicking. (Well, about getting my own facsimilie of the Raiders -jacket-, anyway!)

The photos below just can't do the reality of this jacket justice, and I have Riley at Tony Nowak Originals to thank for it. There's just so much to say about this that I don't know where to start.

The Backstory:
I already had a Mk2 grain style Shrunken Lamb Raiders jacket from Tony. I liked it a lot - it just vibed Raiders. But I was finding it a bit tight in the chest. I thought if I could sell it and my Wested Horsehide, I may be able to swing another jacket from Tony with a bit more room. Lucky for me, I sold both pretty quick. Then I started thinking - obsessing really - about making absolutely sure this would be 3rd time lucky - that my third shot at this jacket would be perfect. The night before I shipped off my other 2 jackets I took a bunch of pictures of myself in poses to match key frames in the movie, noted where the jacket was coming to on me lengthwise, and how much looser the chest needed to be, how much the shoulder seem needed to be off the apex of my shoulders, and so on. Consistently I found that my jacket was exactly 1.5" short. So rumours aside, Ford ain't 6'1" like I am after all - which meant I really needed a 24.5" length.

Then I started to look at the jacket details. Specifically taking into account the jacket Tony was given to copy was the one used in Hawaii and part of the Truck Chase, and had a few key differences between it and the main hero jacket. Both are clearly shrunken lamb, but the main hero jacket definitely has Merino X stiations, whereas the Hawaii doesn't have any that I could note. I wanted a jacket as close to that main hero jacket, so I went frame-by-frame through Raiders and the Making of DVD and mapped all visible grain, all the striation lines. They're on almost every panel, by the way, and at the exact distance apart that the shrunken lamb Tony Nowak sourced is at. I then looked at the little details of the Hero jacket that were different between jackets - the droopy, lopsided collar, the action pleats, the colar stand, the zipper gap, and so on. Once I had checked and rechecked everything, I called Tony.

Tony:
I thought he would think I had transcended a new level of Screen Accurate craziness, but as always, Tony took it in his stride. I told him I had a project in mind, but didn't know if he would want to take it on. He just told me to email him the details of what I want. He got back to me, and we had a couple of great, long Tony chats. Those lucky enough to have these know what I'm talking about. We went through my diagrams and what-not. Long story short, the big guy said "No problem." He made a bunch of notes and said he was going to Italy, and he'd hit it when he came back.

Then the unthinkable happened.

I realised jackets weren't that important about a week or so later when I woke up to find Tony was gone. Like many here, it hit me really hard. Bizarre for someone I had never met and only spoke to half a dozen or so times. Rest in Peace, Tony.

Riley Barrie:
I introduced myself to Riley a little later, letting him know I was one of the people that had paid for a jacket. Straight away, I really liked this guy. Here is a dude that totally out of the blue had to learn the ropes of a completely new trade, cope with losing someone so close to them, and take over a business all in one hit. Mind blowing. Riley asked me if I still wanted my jacket. I told him absolutely, but I wasn't sure if he wanted to take it on. If he didn't want all my crazy diagrams I was going to go with a straight, beautiful 747 leather; but I wanted to go for gold. I trusted Riley to get it right.

Then Riley went one better. He wanted to make sure everything was perfect for how I wanted it, given the highly unusual set of circumstances. (At this point I'll note I'm in Australia) With help from a friend of mine, Bryan, they took photos of all the shrunken lamb hides and sent them to me. I was then able to select what hides were used, and how I wanted them. It was like constructing a jacket virtually. VERY cool. I was able to get very close to my "map" of the striations and grain. (Let me note, this obviously isn't a normal service, and does cost a bit more. All I can say is call Riley and he will be able to discuss how much that would be as I have no idea what the current prices are.) For S.A. nuts like me, all I can say is the premium is worth it, and then some. With a few conversations, Riley clicked to my wishes - most of which I left in his court, and he ran with - getting 100% of them spot-on beyond my wildest dreams.

The Jacket:
Again, Wow. So I get my shipping box, and pull the jacket out. Number 31/888. First thing I notice is how SUBSTANTIAL the thing is. My earlier shrunken lamb jacket was fairly light compared to my Wested Horsehide, but this thing felt heavier than the Horse, and like it would stop bullets. Amazing. The Striated Shrunken Lamb (SSL) hide is just awesome in person. The thing is, it looks over the top at first, especially compared to what you THINK the movie jacket looked like, but it starts to break in on you almost straight away. Most of the shots I've seen of this hide on this site are kind of misleading insofar as they are taken when people have just bought the jacket. It looks kinda weird at first. But I'd say it has easily half the extremeness of texture now than when I got it a week ago. It also does show up shinier and lumpier in these photos than it does in real-life. But it's definitely morphing into the Raiders jacket more each day.

And that texture is incredible. It perfectly matches the grain patterns and nuances you can see in the film if you look with a trained eye. The back striations that you see when Ford's on the front of the truck are there. The chest panel striations leading to sinewyiness: check. Arm striations? Check. And so on. I can even watch the scene just before the Idol Grab where Ford's pointing out the trap and we see diagonal shrunken graining on the right hand side of the yoke - and it's on my jacket in the identical format. Just jaw-dropping. I mean, Riley even went and matched the little squiggles I noted for the pockets.

Other details are similarly spot-on. Among numerous other things, the right-hand collar droops over, the zipper curls out, the pleats have the exact right amount of stiffness and depth, and the collar stand not only has the curve - it even has the "butt-crack" dent idential to the real Hero jacket.

Oh, and it fits like a dream!

Anyway, apologies, I didn't mean to write "War and Peace", but you can probably sense my enthusiasm! I'm a really picky guy, but Riley and the other guys at Tony Nowak have just blown me away.

Gunslinger

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_105528.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_104912.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_104948.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_105022.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_110142.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_104730.jpg

Gunslinger
08-01-2010, 10:34 AM
Let's get some more product reviews up in all the categories, guys! Here's a "reprint" of my recent custom...

Ok, I'm done. This is IT. I have the perfect Raiders jacket now. I can quit obsessing and nitpicking. (Well, about getting my own facsimilie of the Raiders -jacket-, anyway!)

The photos below just can't do the reality of this jacket justice, and I have Riley at Tony Nowak Originals to thank for it. There's just so much to say about this that I don't know where to start.

The Backstory:
I already had a Mk2 grain style Shrunken Lamb Raiders jacket from Tony. I liked it a lot - it just vibed Raiders. But I was finding it a bit tight in the chest. I thought if I could sell it and my Wested Horsehide, I may be able to swing another jacket from Tony with a bit more room. Lucky for me, I sold both pretty quick. Then I started thinking - obsessing really - about making absolutely sure this would be 3rd time lucky - that my third shot at this jacket would be perfect. The night before I shipped off my other 2 jackets I took a bunch of pictures of myself in poses to match key frames in the movie, noted where the jacket was coming to on me lengthwise, and how much looser the chest needed to be, how much the shoulder seem needed to be off the apex of my shoulders, and so on. Consistently I found that my jacket was exactly 1.5" short. So rumours aside, Ford ain't 6'1" like I am after all - which meant I really needed a 24.5" length.

Then I started to look at the jacket details. Specifically taking into account the jacket Tony was given to copy was the one used in Hawaii and part of the Truck Chase, and had a few key differences between it and the main hero jacket. Both are clearly shrunken lamb, but the main hero jacket definitely has Merino X stiations, whereas the Hawaii doesn't have any that I could note. I wanted a jacket as close to that main hero jacket, so I went frame-by-frame through Raiders and the Making of DVD and mapped all visible grain, all the striation lines. They're on almost every panel, by the way, and at the exact distance apart that the shrunken lamb Tony Nowak sourced is at. I then looked at the little details of the Hero jacket that were different between jackets - the droopy, lopsided collar, the action pleats, the colar stand, the zipper gap, and so on. Once I had checked and rechecked everything, I called Tony.

Tony:
I thought he would think I had transcended a new level of Screen Accurate craziness, but as always, Tony took it in his stride. I told him I had a project in mind, but didn't know if he would want to take it on. He just told me to email him the details of what I want. He got back to me, and we had a couple of great, long Tony chats. Those lucky enough to have these know what I'm talking about. We went through my diagrams and what-not. Long story short, the big guy said "No problem." He made a bunch of notes and said he was going to Italy, and he'd hit it when he came back.

Then the unthinkable happened.

I realised jackets weren't that important about a week or so later when I woke up to find Tony was gone. Like many here, it hit me really hard. Bizarre for someone I had never met and only spoke to half a dozen or so times. Rest in Peace, Tony.

Riley Barrie:
I introduced myself to Riley a little later, letting him know I was one of the people that had paid for a jacket. Straight away, I really liked this guy. Here is a dude that totally out of the blue had to learn the ropes of a completely new trade, cope with losing someone so close to them, and take over a business all in one hit. Mind blowing. Riley asked me if I still wanted my jacket. I told him absolutely, but I wasn't sure if he wanted to take it on. If he didn't want all my crazy diagrams I was going to go with a straight, beautiful 747 leather; but I wanted to go for gold. I trusted Riley to get it right.

Then Riley went one better. He wanted to make sure everything was perfect for how I wanted it, given the highly unusual set of circumstances. (At this point I'll note I'm in Australia) With help from a friend of mine, Bryan, they took photos of all the shrunken lamb hides and sent them to me. I was then able to select what hides were used, and how I wanted them. It was like constructing a jacket virtually. VERY cool. I was able to get very close to my "map" of the striations and grain. (Let me note, this obviously isn't a normal service, and does cost a bit more. All I can say is call Riley and he will be able to discuss how much that would be as I have no idea what the current prices are.) For S.A. nuts like me, all I can say is the premium is worth it, and then some. With a few conversations, Riley clicked to my wishes - most of which I left in his court, and he ran with - getting 100% of them spot-on beyond my wildest dreams.

The Jacket:
Again, Wow. So I get my shipping box, and pull the jacket out. Number 31/888. First thing I notice is how SUBSTANTIAL the thing is. My earlier shrunken lamb jacket was fairly light compared to my Wested Horsehide, but this thing felt heavier than the Horse, and like it would stop bullets. Amazing. The Striated Shrunken Lamb (SSL) hide is just awesome in person. The thing is, it looks over the top at first, especially compared to what you THINK the movie jacket looked like, but it starts to break in on you almost straight away. Most of the shots I've seen of this hide on this site are kind of misleading insofar as they are taken when people have just bought the jacket. It looks kinda weird at first. But I'd say it has easily half the extremeness of texture now than when I got it a week ago. It also does show up shinier and lumpier in these photos than it does in real-life. But it's definitely morphing into the Raiders jacket more each day.

And that texture is incredible. It perfectly matches the grain patterns and nuances you can see in the film if you look with a trained eye. The back striations that you see when Ford's on the front of the truck are there. The chest panel striations leading to sinewyiness: check. Arm striations? Check. And so on. I can even watch the scene just before the Idol Grab where Ford's pointing out the trap and we see diagonal shrunken graining on the right hand side of the yoke - and it's on my jacket in the identical format. Just jaw-dropping. I mean, Riley even went and matched the little squiggles I noted for the pockets.

Other details are similarly spot-on. Among numerous other things, the right-hand collar droops over, the zipper curls out, the pleats have the exact right amount of stiffness and depth, and the collar stand not only has the curve - it even has the "butt-crack" dent idential to the real Hero jacket.

Oh, and it fits like a dream!

Anyway, apologies, I didn't mean to write "War and Peace", but you can probably sense my enthusiasm! I'm a really picky guy, but Riley and the other guys at Tony Nowak have just blown me away.

Gunslinger

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_105528.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_104912.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_104948.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_105022.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_110142.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_104730.jpg

indydude18
01-07-2015, 06:25 PM
It pains me to do this, but I have to let one of my favorite jackets go. This jacket was originally made for Gunslinger and has his personal tweaks to make the jacket closer to the Main Hero jacket. This jacket is very well made, with sturdy thick SSL hide. A must have for any Raiders collector.

I want this gone today, asking price is $800. Don't be afraid to make me an offer.

Measurements:

Front Flap w/ Collar Stand vertically from bottom to top: 25"
Shoulder from sleeve seam to collar seam: ~8"
Sleeves from cuff to sleeve seam: between 25 1/2" to 25 3/4"
Back vertical length from Collar Stand to Lower back panel: 24"
Chest width: ~23"
Waist width: 21 1/2"

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/D700-20121130-105242_zpsd06cb3b2.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/D700-20121130-105242_zpsd06cb3b2.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/D700_20100625_103940_zps00030123.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/D700_20100625_103940_zps00030123.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/D700_20100625_104948_zps9f24ae73.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/D700_20100625_104948_zps9f24ae73.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/D700_20100625_105022_zpsf8075b59.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/D700_20100625_105022_zpsf8075b59.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/D700_20100625_104912_zpsf2b1b160.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/D700_20100625_104912_zpsf2b1b160.jpg.html)

Tibor
01-07-2015, 09:42 PM
If it's still available, I'd like to buy it.

indydude18
01-07-2015, 10:07 PM
SOLD!

LZeitgeist
01-08-2015, 11:13 AM
If it's still available, I'd like to buy it.

Make sure you cover your butt in how you pay for it...

http://www.fortuneandglory.org/threads/2263-(2)-MBA-Raiders-Shirts-for-sale-80-each?p=23051#post23051

http://www.fortuneandglory.org/threads/2262-Tony-Nowak-Raiders-031-900-Shipped-OBO?p=22936#post22936

It's a couple of long reads, but important FYI.

I hope the transaction goes well for both of you.

Tibor
01-08-2015, 12:00 PM
I'm aware of all your past posts.

LZeitgeist
01-08-2015, 12:41 PM
I'm aware of all your past posts.

Excellent. As I said, I hope the transaction goes well for both of you.

Cheers!

RCSignals
01-08-2015, 06:54 PM
Is this gunslinger's first jacket from Tony? or a later jacket from Riley?

neutronbomb
01-11-2015, 01:42 PM
Hey RCSignals. I believe this is the one Riley made. Where I took photos and a video of the batch of skins and then Kurt selected each skin he wanted for each piece of the jacket. IIRC he marked up diagrams on the photos showing Riley where to make each cut and place each piece. Helluva project.

Tibor
01-13-2015, 09:14 PM
Arrived right on schedule in perfect shape. Gunslinger must be the same size because it fits like Tony tailored it on my back. Perfect. Anybody recall what tweaks were made to this one that were different from the standard? I love the zippered inside pocket. The aging is excellent, the grain is outrageous, and I couldn't be more pleased. Great jacket!

LZeitgeist
01-14-2015, 01:25 PM
Arrived right on schedule in perfect shape. Gunslinger must be the same size because it fits like Tony tailored it on my back. Perfect. Anybody recall what tweaks were made to this one that were different from the standard? I love the zippered inside pocket. The aging is excellent, the grain is outrageous, and I couldn't be more pleased. Great jacket!

Awesome! Very happy to hear it went well for both sides.

neutronbomb
01-15-2015, 12:25 AM
Here's a post from Gunslinger's original thread about this jacket http://www.fortuneandglory.org/threads/25-Riley-Barrie-Tony-Nowak-Originals-Raiders-Jacket


Let's get some more product reviews up in all the categories, guys! Here's a "reprint" of my recent custom...

Ok, I'm done. This is IT. I have the perfect Raiders jacket now. I can quit obsessing and nitpicking. (Well, about getting my own facsimilie of the Raiders -jacket-, anyway!)

The photos below just can't do the reality of this jacket justice, and I have Riley at Tony Nowak Originals to thank for it. There's just so much to say about this that I don't know where to start.

The Backstory:
I already had a Mk2 grain style Shrunken Lamb Raiders jacket from Tony. I liked it a lot - it just vibed Raiders. But I was finding it a bit tight in the chest. I thought if I could sell it and my Wested Horsehide, I may be able to swing another jacket from Tony with a bit more room. Lucky for me, I sold both pretty quick. Then I started thinking - obsessing really - about making absolutely sure this would be 3rd time lucky - that my third shot at this jacket would be perfect. The night before I shipped off my other 2 jackets I took a bunch of pictures of myself in poses to match key frames in the movie, noted where the jacket was coming to on me lengthwise, and how much looser the chest needed to be, how much the shoulder seem needed to be off the apex of my shoulders, and so on. Consistently I found that my jacket was exactly 1.5" short. So rumours aside, Ford ain't 6'1" like I am after all - which meant I really needed a 24.5" length.

Then I started to look at the jacket details. Specifically taking into account the jacket Tony was given to copy was the one used in Hawaii and part of the Truck Chase, and had a few key differences between it and the main hero jacket. Both are clearly shrunken lamb, but the main hero jacket definitely has Merino X stiations, whereas the Hawaii doesn't have any that I could note. I wanted a jacket as close to that main hero jacket, so I went frame-by-frame through Raiders and the Making of DVD and mapped all visible grain, all the striation lines. They're on almost every panel, by the way, and at the exact distance apart that the shrunken lamb Tony Nowak sourced is at. I then looked at the little details of the Hero jacket that were different between jackets - the droopy, lopsided collar, the action pleats, the colar stand, the zipper gap, and so on. Once I had checked and rechecked everything, I called Tony.

Tony:
I thought he would think I had transcended a new level of Screen Accurate craziness, but as always, Tony took it in his stride. I told him I had a project in mind, but didn't know if he would want to take it on. He just told me to email him the details of what I want. He got back to me, and we had a couple of great, long Tony chats. Those lucky enough to have these know what I'm talking about. We went through my diagrams and what-not. Long story short, the big guy said "No problem." He made a bunch of notes and said he was going to Italy, and he'd hit it when he came back.

Then the unthinkable happened.

I realised jackets weren't that important about a week or so later when I woke up to find Tony was gone. Like many here, it hit me really hard. Bizarre for someone I had never met and only spoke to half a dozen or so times. Rest in Peace, Tony.

Riley Barrie:
I introduced myself to Riley a little later, letting him know I was one of the people that had paid for a jacket. Straight away, I really liked this guy. Here is a dude that totally out of the blue had to learn the ropes of a completely new trade, cope with losing someone so close to them, and take over a business all in one hit. Mind blowing. Riley asked me if I still wanted my jacket. I told him absolutely, but I wasn't sure if he wanted to take it on. If he didn't want all my crazy diagrams I was going to go with a straight, beautiful 747 leather; but I wanted to go for gold. I trusted Riley to get it right.

Then Riley went one better. He wanted to make sure everything was perfect for how I wanted it, given the highly unusual set of circumstances. (At this point I'll note I'm in Australia) With help from a friend of mine, Bryan, they took photos of all the shrunken lamb hides and sent them to me. I was then able to select what hides were used, and how I wanted them. It was like constructing a jacket virtually. VERY cool. I was able to get very close to my "map" of the striations and grain. (Let me note, this obviously isn't a normal service, and does cost a bit more. All I can say is call Riley and he will be able to discuss how much that would be as I have no idea what the current prices are.) For S.A. nuts like me, all I can say is the premium is worth it, and then some. With a few conversations, Riley clicked to my wishes - most of which I left in his court, and he ran with - getting 100% of them spot-on beyond my wildest dreams.

The Jacket:
Again, Wow. So I get my shipping box, and pull the jacket out. Number 31/888. First thing I notice is how SUBSTANTIAL the thing is. My earlier shrunken lamb jacket was fairly light compared to my Wested Horsehide, but this thing felt heavier than the Horse, and like it would stop bullets. Amazing. The Striated Shrunken Lamb (SSL) hide is just awesome in person. The thing is, it looks over the top at first, especially compared to what you THINK the movie jacket looked like, but it starts to break in on you almost straight away. Most of the shots I've seen of this hide on this site are kind of misleading insofar as they are taken when people have just bought the jacket. It looks kinda weird at first. But I'd say it has easily half the extremeness of texture now than when I got it a week ago. It also does show up shinier and lumpier in these photos than it does in real-life. But it's definitely morphing into the Raiders jacket more each day.

And that texture is incredible. It perfectly matches the grain patterns and nuances you can see in the film if you look with a trained eye. The back striations that you see when Ford's on the front of the truck are there. The chest panel striations leading to sinewyiness: check. Arm striations? Check. And so on. I can even watch the scene just before the Idol Grab where Ford's pointing out the trap and we see diagonal shrunken graining on the right hand side of the yoke - and it's on my jacket in the identical format. Just jaw-dropping. I mean, Riley even went and matched the little squiggles I noted for the pockets.

Other details are similarly spot-on. Among numerous other things, the right-hand collar droops over, the zipper curls out, the pleats have the exact right amount of stiffness and depth, and the collar stand not only has the curve - it even has the "butt-crack" dent idential to the real Hero jacket.

Oh, and it fits like a dream!

Anyway, apologies, I didn't mean to write "War and Peace", but you can probably sense my enthusiasm! I'm a really picky guy, but Riley and the other guys at Tony Nowak have just blown me away.

Gunslinger

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_105528.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_104912.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_104948.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_105022.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_110142.jpg http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100625_104730.jpg




Arrived right on schedule in perfect shape. Gunslinger must be the same size because it fits like Tony tailored it on my back. Perfect. Anybody recall what tweaks were made to this one that were different from the standard? I love the zippered inside pocket. The aging is excellent, the grain is outrageous, and I couldn't be more pleased. Great jacket!

Tibor
01-15-2015, 02:26 PM
Thanks for the reminder, NB. I remember this post now and I'm even more pleased to have this jacket.

neutronbomb
01-15-2015, 06:11 PM
Your welcome Indy_cheers Here's a link to more photos of the jacket http://s615.photobucket.com/user/neutronbomb_photos/library/yojimbo%20-%20SSL%20ROTLA%20Jacket

Here's something cool also. I found all the photos and movies that I took at Tony's shop of the batch of 23 hides that Gunslinger had to choose from. Something you might have fun looking through 8)
http://s615.photobucket.com/user/neutronbomb_photos/library/TN%20-%20Shop%20-%20SL%20for%20Yojimbo

Tibor
01-16-2015, 02:08 AM
That was so cool. Thanks for pulling these up. It's great to try to guess which hides... I think it's made from hides from the early batch 1-13. Really appreciate this. Made an evening of it Indy_popcorn

RCSignals
01-16-2015, 07:36 PM
Very Nice score Tibor

I think this one is made from some of neutronbomb's hides and some from the batch Tony bought for my second jacket

I'm surprised yojimbo even sold this one

Gunslinger
01-17-2015, 08:16 AM
Yeah RC, I never would have thought I would have sold it either. The BIG problem with the jacket is that I live in the sub-tropics, and it was just too thick and heavy. Like WAY too much. I rationalize enough as it is - wearing jackets when I really shouldn't, just because I like wearing jackets. But even in winter, when I have about 3 months of jacket wearing time, I was really only clocking in a few days of use, as my other Nowak with identical specs but lighter leather was all I needed.

In selling it, I really only felt bad that Neutronbomb had really done me a massive solid in helping with the hide photos, and I will be forever in his debt for that whether I have the jacket or not. My current one is the legacy of that.

This thread got rolling before I could reply, but it's my understanding from Neutronbomb and Riley that it was made with both Tony's original batch of hides, combined with RC's striated hides. NB sent me the pics of the hides, and it used my own map of the grain on the jacket from hours of screen grabbing, and superimposed pattern shapes onto each so Riley could nail it. Striations in all the right places, etc. Riley must have thought I was f*cking nuts. :)

Tibor, really happy it has gone to another appreciative owner.

I did some mild tweaks to the collar stand (rounded it), made sure it was at the 1" of Tony's original measurements, rounded the collar tips a little more than standard, had the curl sewn into the zipper as much as Riley could, and asked that extra stiffener be added to the vents (IIRC), as my original Nowak kept flaring open in a way I didn't like. And yes, added Tony's "Immigrant pocket".

Come on now, Tibor! PICS of you in it!

neutronbomb
01-17-2015, 04:27 PM
This thread got rolling before I could reply.......

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Miscellaneous/1E48DE9A-3A79-44BA-81AD-8E1C4BC49AF3_zpsshsotnil.jpg~original



Come on now, Tibor! PICS of you in it!
+1

neutronbomb
01-17-2015, 07:21 PM
I'll try and clarify more about the batches of leather and what was used for Gunslinger(s)/Tibor's SSL jacket.

First of all, there were a total of 4 types of Shrunken lamb leathers Tony used:

1st type - The original shrunken lamb (SL) batch that he started with and then a 2nd run of this same type. Slight differences of course in the appearance of these two different runs, but overall striations (ribbiness) was not asked for from the tanner. However, they did contain some subtle (relatively) ribbiness marks throughout both batches.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Shrunken%20Lamb/CIMG4499-1.jpg~original

Folks on COW and guys like Mac, Platon, & KT liked to refer to it as elephant or dragon hide and seemed to enjoy overlooking the striation marks that it did contain. What's interesting is they sing the praises of Bill Kelso's leather now (marketed as non-shrunken, ribby), but I wonder... can anyone even see the difference??
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Take%204%20Hawaii%20Jacket%20Photo/billkelsocompare_zps4c94aee3.jpg~original
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Miscellaneous/7615102D-874C-4759-86DE-085BCCC356E1_zpsmm9r6rcb.jpg~original


2nd type - The "puckered fingertip" batch of skins.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/TN%20-%20First%20Visit%20to%20Shop/IMG_0732.jpg~original


3rd Type - The Striated Shrunken lamb (SSL) batch of skins. There were two different runs of this. One by Tony, of which RCSignals has an example and one by Riley of which Tibor via Gunslinger now has an example. Riley was extremely confused about all these different types of shrunken lamb leathers and may have communicated mistaken info about them earlier on to customers. For instance, when I went down to the shop to help him with what I knew, he was confused about MY personal batch of skins (Type 4 - Enhanced Striated Shrunken Lamb/ESSL) as being the type 3 and the actual type 3 as being the original. Not his fault as the shop was a disaster after Tony's death. But, I spent an entire day there with Riley and sorted all the hides in the shop into piles, including samples of hides that had been all used up, and then put up labeled placards in front of the piles identifying what they were. I did my best to help clarify it all for him.

Despite what Riley may have referred to this leather as to others, I do know for sure that Tibor's/Gunslinger's jacket was made 100% from Riley's batch he ordered of the type 3 striated shrunken lamb (SSL). This is because Riley called me to tell me he had received his first "original" shrunken hide batch from the factory and the first jacket he was making out of it was Gunslinger's. I went immediately to the shop and helped unpack the hides, lay them out, and photograph and video all the skins as per the link in one of my previous posts below....and to inform Riley that this was a type 3 leather and not the original. He told me no, and showed me my batch and informed me these were the type 3. And then this is when...all hell broke loose. I removed my jacket I was wearing and showed him, informed him of the real deal, and then laid out every single leather used for Indy jackets in the shop and labeled them for him.

Here's a couple of jacket photographs showing this type 3 leather, one from Tony's batch and one from Riley's batch:

Tony's type 3 run, RCSignals jacket example:
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Jacket%20Pictures/2870211019_400e5889d0_o.jpg~original
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/TN%20-%20RCSignals%20SSL%20ROTLA%20Jacket/Striation11.jpg~original
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Take%204%20Hawaii%20Jacket%20Photo/ribbycompare2_zpsda475bfe.jpg~original
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/TN%20-%20Shop%20-%20Striation%20Lamb%20and%20Vintage%20Goat%20Hides/IMG_0845.jpg~original
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/TN%20-%20Shop%20-%20Striation%20Lamb%20and%20Vintage%20Goat%20Hides/IMG_0920.jpg~original

Riley's type 3 run, Tibor/Gunslinger jacket example (to my eyes it looks like Riley's run came out slightly more shrunken grain enhanced than Tony's):
Taken from this post http://www.fortuneandglory.org/threads/139-The-shrunken-myth?p=1418&viewfull=1#post1418
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/roninbd/D700_20100817_100254.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/TN%20-%20Shop%20-%20SL%20for%20Yojimbo/IMG_1739.jpg~original


Type 4 - My Enhanced Striated Shrunken Lamb batch of skins (ESSL). I have no idea if any jackets other than mine and my families jackets were ever made from this Type; I'm not aware of any. I had to pay for this batch up front. And then pay for the jackets to be made from it. There was still half a batch left over after my project was complete and they stayed in Tony's shop ready for my next project. After Tony's death and by the time I made it down to his shop to meet with Riley, Riley was upside down with what everything was. He was thinking this batch, my batch, was leftover type 3. No idea if he made any jackets out of it before I could meet with him, but I "re-bought" all remaining hides when I was there and took them home.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/TN%20-%20Shop%20-%20ESSL%20or%20RocknRolla%20hides/IMG_1228.jpg~original
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/TN%20-%20Shop%20-%20ESSL%20or%20RocknRolla%20hides/IMG_1229.jpg~original
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/TN%20-%20Shop%20-%20ESSL%20or%20RocknRolla%20hides/IMG_1233.jpg~original
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/TN%20-%20My%20ESSL%20Jacket%20-%20New/IMG_0008.jpg~original
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/TN%20-%20My%20ESSL%20Jacket%20-%20New/IMG_0078.jpg~original
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Shrunken%20Lamb/ribbycompare1_zps4417c2cf.jpg~original

Gunslinger
01-17-2015, 11:04 PM
Man, yet again I love seeing the mentalness of your ESSL hides, NB. Such a profoundly cool looking leather that looks like nothing else out there in a jacket of any sort.

RCSignals
01-18-2015, 03:35 AM
Yes it is I have seen NBs jacket

crismans
01-18-2015, 02:12 PM
Thanks for that breakdown, NB. I know you've discussed it before, but it "clicked" with me this time what the timeline was. My shrunken lamb from Tony was the "finger puckered" run. I never really could bond with it and ended up selling it. I loved RCSignals striated jacket and was intent on buying one, but Tony sadly passed away before I got the funds together. I'm glad you were on hand to get the facts. So much of this hobby has been blurred (and there was certainly an attempt to blur this timeline as well) by certain parties, that it's refreshing to have the straight story.

neutronbomb
01-20-2015, 01:27 AM
Well Crismans, what I want to know is...have you spilled any coke down the sleeve of your Todds jacket yet ??? ban-llama

crismans
01-20-2015, 02:31 AM
That's how I break all of my jackets in! ;)