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Louisianna James
02-14-2013, 01:29 PM
Here is my Last Crusade with a light brown ribbon from Nicky Manning new owner of Herbert Johnson.
http://imageshack.us/a/img202/5676/6i3j.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img341/2811/6i2v.jpg

Louisianna James
02-14-2013, 03:01 PM
Here is more photos

In this angle the Herbert Johnson fedora looks kind of like a Tohts hat.
http://imageshack.us/a/img152/7448/6i1e.jpg

More photos of the fedora in different shades of light
http://imageshack.us/a/img526/198/5i1d.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img836/1471/5i2f.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img839/9805/2i3f.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img10/578/2i2i.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img22/3022/2i1q.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/9200/2i4o.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img560/1488/1i4e.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img405/9919/1i3y.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img441/1599/1i1u.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img827/9617/1i2i.jpg

Probably If i dusted it with Fullers Earth it would look like the tank scene, and the ribbon would look more darker.

As you can observe the ribbon on the film fedora looks like its lighter brown
http://www.indygear.com/images/gear/fedora/LC_left.jpg
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/screencrush.com/files/2012/08/indiana-jones-last-crusade-behind-the-scenes.jpg
http://media2.firstshowing.net/firstshowing/img4/LastCrusadeYellingShot560fullrev2.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maemq2ypQ81qjonawo1_r2_500.jpg
http://www.indygear.com/images/gear/fedora/LC_right.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-U-HbA2atU7c/Tepr3g63wqI/AAAAAAAAA40/3ADV9C4yxW8/s400/fedora.jpg

Different hat with different color darker brown or purplish brown ribbon used for this picture?:o
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljpt8d6tCV1qi9q4ko1_500.jpg

BTW IF ANYONE HAD A HERBERT JOHNSON POET FROM THE LATE 80's, EARLY 90's ERA, PLEASE POST PICTURES OF IT HERE(NO RIBBON REPLACEMENT, JUST THE RIBBON THAT IS ORIGINALLY ON THE HAT) THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION ;)

indydude18
02-14-2013, 08:08 PM
Not really a Poet, but it's a great ToD hat. Here's my vintage HJ from about 1984.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07268.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07262.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07267.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07263.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07269.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07271.jpg

neutronbomb
02-14-2013, 08:26 PM
Is it possible for you to post a real good close up of the ribbon grain. It would be interesting to try and determine if its the kind of vintage ribbon that bending oak talks about.

Louisianna James
02-15-2013, 12:28 AM
That hat looks awesome and TOD accurate, it looks like the bridge and village scene, and good job on the little fold on the upper section hiding under the front section of the bow as i observed on the TOD ribbon when Indy was fighting Mola Ram on the bridge ;) , i wonder what color is the ribbon, my favorite kind of Indy Style is the and Motorcycle Chase style on Last Crusade, i might post more pictures, i believed that the LC fedora is more of a Dress hat than an archeologist hat like Raiders and TOD. Thanks for showing that :)

Louisianna James
02-15-2013, 12:36 AM
Its actually a ribbon from Herbert Johnson, the materials the same as the modern brown/black one they used. They still have the brighter ribbon that they used at the 80's and 90's for the Last Crusade, just email the new owner Nicky Manning(Herbert Johnson Email), btw i wonder what ribbon color is used for TOD. In screenused.com From the back it looks like its the same ribbon that is used later on LC but from the front with different lighting, it looks like the grayish brown Todd Coyle's ribbon.

HENRY JONES JR.
02-15-2013, 03:01 AM
Not really a Poet, but it's a great ToD hat. Here's my vintage HJ from about 1984.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07268.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07262.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07267.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07263.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07269.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07271.jpg


AWESOME FEDORA!!!!!!!!!!!

And..... at 7 1/8 , it just happens to be size! hint hint hint Indy_cheers

indydude18
02-15-2013, 04:25 PM
Is it possible for you to post a real good close up of the ribbon grain. It would be interesting to try and determine if its the kind of vintage ribbon that bending oak talks about.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07575_zpsd2dd9982.jpg

bendingoak
02-15-2013, 05:40 PM
Can you put a ruler next to the ribbon or count the ridges per inch? The color wrong for any of the Indy hats. i think what you are seeing is the distressing. also remember we had more then one label in TOD.

Louisianna James
02-15-2013, 06:00 PM
Nice!! Where did you purschased that ribbon from, did u have more of that ribbon? What's the color's name?

I would want to purchase some if you have a ton of them. I think that's the right color for the TOD, take a look this bridge scene fedora sprinkled with fullers earth:

http://www.screenused.com/images/templedoom/IndyFedora1.jpg

bendingoak
02-15-2013, 06:17 PM
Remember that SU hat has faded.

Louisianna James
02-15-2013, 10:31 PM
Remember that SU hat has faded.
Wow i wondered what happened to it, did it deteriorated and break down or got lost somewhere like the raiders hat block? I know that a collector got the TOD stuntman's fedora, and Harrison's Ford LC fedora was donated to the Smithsonian Museum along with the jacket, and i was wondering if Harrison TOD was created by Barons Hats, or HJ still? i also read that on a movie "The Goonies", The actor who portrayed Fratelli eldest brother was wearing the TOD HJ hat or is that a lie?

indydude18
02-16-2013, 12:20 AM
Can you put a ruler next to the ribbon or count the ridges per inch? The color wrong for any of the Indy hats. i think what you are seeing is the distressing. also remember we had more then one label in TOD.

John, has it been confirmed that Stetsons were used in ToD? I'll get some shots with a ruler shortly.

indydude18
02-16-2013, 12:44 AM
Wow i wondered what happened to it, did it deteriorated and break down or got lost somewhere like the raiders hat block? I know that a collector got the TOD stuntman's fedora, and Harrison's Ford LC fedora was donated to the Smithsonian Museum along with the jacket, and i was wondering if Harrison TOD was created by Barons Hats, or HJ still? i also read that on a movie "The Goonies", The actor who portrayed Fratelli eldest brother was wearing the TOD HJ hat or is that a lie?

I think he meant "faded" as in "lost its color/tone". I think some of those facts are mixed up Louisianna. To my understanding, Desi or "Screen-Used" had a Raiders "Hero" HJ, but I've never looked into the LC fedoras and jackets.

I also don't believe Baron's had anything to do with ToD production. Sure, they might have submitted a prototype but that doesn't mean their hats made it on camera. They use very specific language on their site to make it seem as if there hats were used in the film. They've claimed to have made hats for ToD, Public Enemies, Mutts hat in CS, and most recently the hat used by Christoph Waltz in Django.

Plus, do you really wanna spend $500 for a Fur Felt hat? Or $750 for a Beaver Felt hat? For that price, you can have 2 of John's!

*Edited* Because I got the prices wrong! D'oh! :doh:

Louisianna James
02-16-2013, 03:35 AM
I think he meant "faded" as in "lost its color/tone". I think some of those facts are mixed up Louisianna. To my understanding, Desi or "Screen-Used" had a Raiders "Hero" HJ, but I've never looked into the LC fedoras and jackets.

I also don't believe Baron's had anything to do with ToD production. Sure, they might have submitted a prototype but that doesn't mean their hats made it on camera. They use very specific language on their site to make it seem as if there hats were used in the film. They've claimed to have made hats for ToD, Public Enemies, Mutts hat in CS, and most recently the hat used by Christoph Waltz in Django.

Plus, do you really wanna spend $500 for a Fur Felt hat? Or $750 for a Beaver Felt hat? For that price, you can have 2 of John's!

*Edited* Because I got the prices wrong! D'oh! :doh:

I was looking for that color that your ToD ribbon have, do you have any more of that ribbon, if so can i purchase some please :), If u don't much, let me know where u got it from, and what the name of the color is. That color is better than the color ribbon of my LC which is too bright and has kind of that orange tint, and much like the Dorfman Pacific Wool Indy hat.

indydude18
02-16-2013, 05:16 AM
Can you put a ruler next to the ribbon or count the ridges per inch? The color wrong for any of the Indy hats. i think what you are seeing is the distressing. also remember we had more then one label in TOD.

Here you go John. :storm:

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07579_zps251d54c0.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07583_zpse11af32a.jpg

HENRY JONES JR.
02-16-2013, 05:18 AM
Indydude18, if you ever decide to sell this hat, how about PMing me, and giving me first shot at it. After all, it is my size! ;)

indydude18
02-16-2013, 05:29 AM
I was looking for that color that your ToD ribbon have, do you have any more of that ribbon, if so can i purchase some please :), If u don't much, let me know where u got it from, and what the name of the color is. That color is better than the color ribbon of my LC which is too bright and has kind of that orange tint, and much like the Dorfman Pacific Wool Indy hat.

Louisianna James, I think we got mixed up. The ribbon on my Herbert Johnson is the stock ribbon that came with the hat itself, similar ribbon is sure to be available but I'm not sure that the exact same is still made as this hat is almost 30 years old!

I think John should have something up your alley that's similar. Or Etsy has loads of ribbon.

Here's one that super close to mine:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/114002021/vintage-brown-grosgrain-ribbon-2-inches?ref=sr_gallery_31&ga_search_query=brown+rayon+ribbon&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=US&ga_search_type=all

Gunslinger
02-16-2013, 09:08 AM
I think if you take a photo of that hat in full sun with a polarising filter as they used in the films, you will end up with the illusion of a much darker looking ribbon. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the actual ribbons were that "light" a brown.

bendingoak
02-16-2013, 03:43 PM
Thanks for posting the photo with the ruler. Ridge count is off. So, I don't think it's the same stuff.


Yes, Stetson had at least one hat in TOD.

baron submitted hats for TOD and CS but wasn't used. They do like to play with words. He also went out of the way and stated he reblocked all of Steve's hats
at for CS when in fact he let the costume designer use his steamer to fix creases that popped out during shipping and there were only a few not all.

neutronbomb
02-16-2013, 05:59 PM
Here's the ribbon on my Marc Kitter AB Deluxe. It's dark brown though in the photo it looks more black compared to indydude18's. From what I know Marc Kitter uses the real deal vintage stuff from the guy who still manufactures it the same way as the old real deal vintage stuff. I did a compare photo of it to the one on indydude18's 1984 HJ. Also below is a photo of the ribbon Gunslinger used on my 1940's-50's era SOC fedora. He said the ribbon was dark brown vintage rayon/cotton, "Original Cury felt, vintage dark brown cotton/rayon ribbon". To my eyes the ribs look the same width on the AB Deluxe/84 HJ compare while the ribs on the cotton rayon ribbon that Gunslinger used on my 40's-50's era HJ looks a bit wider than the other two. But I don't know. I'm still trying to get a handle on this ribbon stuff myself.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Ribbon%20Comparisons/ribboncompare_zps8e82367d.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Ribbon%20Comparisons/SOCfedora14_zps8199bbf4.jpg

bendingoak
02-17-2013, 05:01 AM
NB, I'll try to explain. Im not saying the ribbon this guy has on his hat isn't good quality or it isn't vintage. I'm just trying to figure out if this is the StuffIt from the same guy. The Indy ribbon was 100% rayon, had less content then most blends of the time about 20% less then blends. The most common used rayon/cotton 50/50. and the pattern is just one way to tell.

I can't tell from a photo if Indy dudes ribbon is rayon, cotton or a blend but from the ribbon count, it doesn't match the ridges from the Indy ribbon. Doesn't mean it isn't vintage or isn't good. Again, hard to tell from a photo. Gunslinger ribbon is a blend and the Indy ribbon wasn't a blend.

NB, put a ruler to both ribbon and count. That will tell you but again. The Indy ribbon wasn't a blend.


NB, I notice something. Are you sure that first hat is Marc's? The ribbon looks like it but I never seen mark sew on a ribbon like that nor the sweatband. I know his work and that doesn't look like his.

Louisianna James
02-17-2013, 11:35 AM
Here's the ribbon on my Marc Kitter AB Deluxe. It's dark brown though in the photo it looks more black compared to indydude18's. From what I know Marc Kitter uses the real deal vintage stuff from the guy who still manufactures it the same way as the old real deal vintage stuff. I did a compare photo of it to the one on indydude18's 1984 HJ. Also below is a photo of the ribbon Gunslinger used on my 1940's-50's era SOC fedora. He said the ribbon was dark brown vintage rayon/cotton, "Original Cury felt, vintage dark brown cotton/rayon ribbon". To my eyes the ribs look the same width on the AB Deluxe/84 HJ compare while the ribs on the cotton rayon ribbon that Gunslinger used on my 40's-50's era HJ looks a bit wider than the other two. But I don't know. I'm still trying to get a handle on this ribbon stuff myself.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Ribbon%20Comparisons/ribboncompare_zps8e82367d.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Ribbon%20Comparisons/SOCfedora14_zps8199bbf4.jpg

Wow cool pics, the bottom looks like the Cairo bash, and Indydude's ribbon kind of looks a few mms bigger than your ABD ribbon and somewhat brighter.

neutronbomb
02-17-2013, 08:36 PM
Ok bendingoak. I did the best I could. Here's two more with tape measure shown. I have to say I'm confused at this point as the rayon/cotton on the HJ vintage "50s" from gunslinger comes in with more ribs per square inch than the ABDeluxe with the "indy ribbon". I'm getting like 29/30 with the ABDeluxe and like 32 with the HJ vintage "50s". And I'm getting like 34/35 on indydude18s. So I'm clearly not getting something here. Also, two more super close ups of the ribbon strands of the ABdeluxe and vintage 50s HJ.

You have a good eye though. Yes, It's an ABDeluxe that Marc made, but it tapered severely and I couldn't get ahold of Marc at the time so I sent it to Gunslinger for a reblock. We decided to turn it into a Hawaii scene hat. Here's where I told the story http://www.fortuneandglory.org/forums/threads/299-neutronbomb-Adventurebilt-Deluxe-(ABD)-Hawaii-Hat and here's the thread for the vintage HJ "50s" fedora http://www.fortuneandglory.org/forums/threads/1464-Vintage-HJ-Drinkin-with-a-Monkey-Fedora

ABDeluxe on top, HJvintage50's on bottom
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Ribbon%20Comparisons/ribbonphoto2_zps96201e6c.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Ribbon%20Comparisons/hjribbonphoto2_zps8d2dcbe2.jpg

ABDeluxe on top, HJvintage50's on bottom
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Ribbon%20Comparisons/ribbonphoto1_zps4c48a32b.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Ribbon%20Comparisons/hjribbonphoto1_zpsdb4968ec.jpg

bendingoak
02-18-2013, 03:05 PM
Not all vintage ribbon was made the same. That's why I asked what the count was. It's clear to me that the ribbons are all vintage or vintage like but not all are the same. And the ridges is only one aspect of telling if it was the Indy creen used ribbon. It is not. Ridge count is off. There are other ways to tell but I couldn't tell them without having it in my hands. I went with the easy one first, the ridges. One more thing.

indydude18
02-19-2013, 01:16 AM
John, how many ridges are we looking for for it to be like the screen-used hats? Or is that a secret? ;)

Check these out, these came from another vintage HJ clipper hat of mine. Is this closer to the ribbon you're talking about?

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07621_zpsf9db47ef.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07630_zps99f0f7e3.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07626_zps6d2afbf1.jpg

bendingoak
02-19-2013, 02:33 AM
It looks like vintage ribbon just not the SA Indy ribbon. Remember, like a steed it is only one part. Even if it did have the right ridge count doesn't make it he right ribbon. Just a starting place.

HENRY JONES JR.
04-06-2013, 06:52 AM
not really a poet, but it's a great tod hat. Here's my vintage hj from about 1984.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/dsc07268.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/dsc07262.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/dsc07267.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/dsc07263.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/dsc07269.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/dsc07271.jpg

oh no!! Where's the pictures??

indydude18
05-29-2013, 02:27 AM
Well......SUPER bored at school, I should be paying attention but what the heck, semester is almost over. I wanna show you guys this Herbert Johnson Poet, build date of 1981, kept at Herbert Johnson and shipped out to it's original owner in 1982. I bought it from the original owner, who said he has kept it in the box since receiving it. IDK about that because the crown is REALLY low to be a Raiders Era Poet, looks very tapered or maybe that is the crown shape of this particular hat. Original Sable Cury felt, soft sweatband, good quality ribbon.....hat feels like the fellas at Herbert Johnson still cared about making a decent hat when they made this. The photos I took are horrible, but they were quick shots right after I had received it.

Anywho, enough of my blabbering, here's the hat:

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07653_zpsbbb9a3da.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07653_zpsbbb9a3da.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07654_zps35f2e539.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07654_zps35f2e539.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07652_zpsd7c45ec8.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07652_zpsd7c45ec8.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07651_zps3492a427.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07651_zps3492a427.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07655_zps834bf983.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07655_zps834bf983.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07656_zps77c6ed09.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07656_zps77c6ed09.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07660_zps8c1f4871.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07660_zps8c1f4871.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07661_zps6c45eff6.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07661_zps6c45eff6.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07659_zpsc71011c4.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07659_zpsc71011c4.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07658_zpsebe3af1e.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07658_zpsebe3af1e.jpg.html)
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07662_zpse26787ff.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/1982%20Poet%20-%20Sable/DSC07662_zpse26787ff.jpg.html)

HENRY JONES JR.
05-29-2013, 03:07 AM
THE RIBBON IS TIED WITH TWO PIECES, NOT ONE? There ARE variations!

GREAT HAT!!!