Bag strap in digital: This changes everything!!!

[Oildale Jones]

It's not creased. It's not creased. I saw it with my own eyes in IMAX. OMG, what am I going to do now???

:D

[indydude18]

Ummm.....what?! :banghead:

[Mr. Furious]

Hah..that`s what I`ve been going thru..I saw lots of AMAZING detail in Imax that changed some stuff...literally gear stuff. But fun nevertheless!

[fenris]

You guys are talking about the ridges on the edges, right? That's what I'm assuming "creased" means.

Here are a few screen caps I took. From what I can see, I believe the strap didn't have any ridges at all.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s96/kac_fenris/Indiana%20Jones/strap/83A713B3-0C5F-4598-A9E5-FE1BB301EF34-347-000000220ECFC3EB.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s96/kac_fenris/Indiana%20Jones/strap/5CD20194-E756-465B-97DE-66CFB2428F18-347-0000002204A18D47.jpg

[neutronbomb]

So the question is where is the screen cap that people have been using to show that it did have ridges.

[Kt Templar]

The new transfer is going to raise all these questions.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3710/jackethd.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/100/jackethd.jpg/)

[Oildale Jones]

So the question is where is the screen cap that people have been using to show that it did have ridges.

Over on COW. I've been looking for one but the grabs are so low-res that there's nothing I'd call definitive. I can't tell if my eyes are playing tricks on me.

Here's a thread discussing all the minutiae. http://indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53170

But since some have renounced COW... I stole this from Holt:

http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss233/graildiaryfan/riflesling.jpg

Personally, I think the BD will answer a lot of questions like this one...and perhaps raise a few new ones. :)

[Kt Templar]

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8607/screenshot20120912at230.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/screenshot20120912at230.png/)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6663/screenshot20120913at233.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/screenshot20120913at233.png/)

No creases!

[Oildale Jones]

neutronbomb, can I bash mine out with a rock? :)

[neutronbomb]

Lol. Yeah..you guys will never let me live that down huh.

That reminds me I'll have to do pics of the holsters I have. I recently received the AB Deluxe one. Very nice. Interesting that they all seem to have an orange undertone to them. I didn't see that in IMAX.

Interesting about the bag strap. Seems COW has gone awry in a lot of areas regarding information.

[Oildale Jones]

I wasn't making fun! I found your class entertaining and informative, and somehow one of the large, smooth rocks in my garden got some oil on it. :)

Now here's something I've been pondering lately. The length rule for the strap is roughly equal to your height, right? So for me, 72 inches long, so the buckle hits the center of the chest and all that. A lot of Indy's gear was military surplus sourced in England, and the strap was likely a rifle sling, but I don't believe most rifle slings are long enough to use as a bag strap without modification.

I just ordered a pair of used surplus H&K G3 slings to experiment with (and possibly replace my creased Todd's), and I'm wondering how they got all that length (including the front "loop") from a sling that measures 50". I think. Actually, I lost my train of thought looking for this picture.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v381/Max_Deployment/Indy/SLGCET-LEATHER-D.jpg

What I think I'm trying to ask is, how would you put two slings together to make one, and have it look seamless? Or was it seamless...?

Help me.

Also note the creases: sometimes there, sometimes not.

[Gunslinger]

It's almost like at some stage someone saw a gap in available information and made it up, then everyone took it as fact for years...

...nah... no-one'd do THAT!

[neutronbomb]

I think the strap length was 66". Anyone disagree?

[RCSignals]

I think a strap that was as long as my height would be too long

[deadseascrolls]

I think a strap that was as long as my height would be too long

I agree. I ordered a strap from Wade some time ago and had to send it back twice to have him cut it back. I ordered a 67" strap (5'7") and believe when I was done, it ended up at 65". Now I am convinced that the info on Todd's site about the standard sizes is correct. Either 65" or 72" depending upon your height are the only sizes I'd order now.

[ThrowMeTheWhip]

I forget what length mine is now, but it's considerably shorter than 65". I have a Todd's. Had to cut it down myself-- I'm 5'3".

[neutronbomb]

My first strap was from Wade when I met him at his booth. I didn't know anything about it except that for raiders the buckle seems to be worn around the center of his chest. The thing is the bag then was worn low on the hip and I got used to it. Well it wound up going home with my dad at Christmas time. I ordered a Todd's so that I could check that one out. When it arrived I put it on the bag and then found out it was way short from what I was used to. I also put an order in for a couple from makeitjones, whose straps rock BTW like seriously. When it arrived it was even way shorter than Todd's. Now I figure I better start looking more closely at this aspect of the gear. In talking to makeitjones, he pointed out than the buckle is worn in different positions in the different films. Like CS for instance, the buckle is way down his side. He also pointed out the top of the bag seems to be worn near the belt line in all the films. Now this is interesting because, although DJD and I seem to disagree on what constitutes the definition for high waisted pants, Indy does wear his pants right below his belly button which are much higher than I'm used to. We're talking above the love handles vs below the love handles. So I went through a bunch of screen caps and photos of the films and looked specifically at the bag and then put on all the gear and decided that makeitjones strap was still shorter than what I needed. I ordered a couple more straps from makeitjones and pretty much guessed on how much longer I needed. When they arrived, I put the gear back on and did a bunch of tests with the various strap lengths. I found the new ones were too long for screen accuracy. And then I happened to glance over at the Todd's that was sitting in a pile with the others and thought what hell. Put it on the bag and presto. Perfect screen accuracy at 66". The deal is that the straps from makeitjones are really, really good. Very SA. So I much prefer them. What I'll end up doing is cutting down my longest makeitjones to 66" for SA. But, I love the bag and get a lot of everyday use out of it and pretty much take it everywhere. I've found I prefer actually wearing the bag a few inches lower than SA and one of the other straps from makeitjones that is 68" is perfect for that. This is taking into account having the buckle always at about the top of the pit of the stomach and that I'm 5'10". I don't have a very slender frame though.

Now for what the film length was. I'm one who absolutely and firmly believes HF was below 6' for raiders. Seeing where he wears his trousers and where the bag sits on his hip...I'm thinking 65/66 inches. Also, and this is something I would have loved to argue with Platon on in regards to the long jacket debate. A long jacket would cover up the bag. But most importantly, this all revolves around and the cornerstone of making all the gear work for SA is the height of the trousers.

[Kt Templar]

I know this is a nice diversion for quiet moments, but with all the unknown measurements ie exactly how tall was Ford in '81, what sort of body type was he and how long his torso was, etc etc. Any number we come up with is a complete guess.

All we can do is start with the guess of use your own height as a start for the length of the strap and then adjust it in person with the bag. It's such a simple proceedure to cut a strap and punch a couple of holes and you are taking length from the back of the bag so the cut edge will never be seen. *Scrolls I find it unfathomable that you'd waste postage sending a strap back and forth for this, but I suppose it is your money.

[neutronbomb]

Killjoy :D

[ThrowMeTheWhip]

*Scrolls I find it unfathomable that you'd waste postage sending a strap back and forth for this, but I suppose it is your money.

At least somebody said it. I did not want to be that guy. :D

[makeitjones]

In the Raiders casting section of 'The complete making of Indiana Jones' book it shows the handwritten specification for Ford's costume in American Grafitti as:

Jacket - 40 L
Jeans - 32" waist and 33" leg

Here's what the jeans look like on him
http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r598/makeitjones/Behind%20scenes%20Indy/Ford-graffiti_zps7e101570.jpg

I'm 6 ft tall and take a long suit jacket with 33" leg trousers - the fit on the leg of his jeans looks like what I get, so on that rigourous scientific basis (!) Ford being between 6' to 6' 1" seems a reasonable estimate. Has anyone been able to find his resume from when he was starting out as an actor - guessing that would have details like height?

For strap edges a lot of military leather gear has them. They can be quite a light indentation but they change the colour of the leather slightly and usually stay visible even if the edges are worn, which we aren't seeing in the high res screen captures.

As a maker of these sort of things it would seem like more effort for the costume department to remake two rifle straps into one rather than just make a new strap from scratch? That said, it's a great fan project as those rifle straps have a fantastic aged patina and you're going to get something infused with character.

I use 65" as my 'standard' bag strap length as I think it gives the right range of buckle and bag level placement for my height (it is worn quite high on the chest in a lot of Raiders), but it's all about personal choice and what you think looks right for you. As Kt Templar says just get extra holes in the buckle end of the strap, find the fit then chop the excess.

Might eventually get round to making some comparison shots between real life bag wear and screen caps to see how well they match up based on the 65".