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Raider S
08-21-2010, 05:30 PM
When I first came to be interested in the Raiders jacket a couple years ago the G&B Expedition seemed to be "the" jacket when it came to durability and SA appeal. About the only thing it didn't claim was original maker status. Now it seems to have fallen off the radar completely.

Latest price is just over $500 for lamb so it's certainly in the mid to upper mid-range between an OTR like a Todd's Standard and a Nowak custom.

In the few photos I've seen there has only been one that had any Indy vibe and that was a jacket that had been washed and weathered a bit.

crismans
08-21-2010, 06:20 PM
There certainly has been a pretty big swing in what is "in" since I first joined the hobby.

I've had an Expedition (goat) and sold it. What the people say about it being built like the proverbial tank is no understatement. It is one tough leather built into one tough jacket. And it is probably the most comfortable OTR jacket I've ever owned (I recall something about gussets being sewn into the liner as well? something to that effect).

But I just couldn't get passed the leather. While extremely tough, it just doesn't have any character to me. It's too "perfect" if that makes sense. Very smooth and so tough that I couldn't ever see it weathering enough (in the amount of time I would wear it) to ever develop character. You would have to wear no other jacket for years to get any "blemishes" on that thing. It would be a terrific jacket for Indy to wear, but, with my closet having a few extra jackets, it just wasn't one I wanted to keep. Another thing was that it had patch pockets rather than having the handwarmers sewn in. I prefer the latter.

But it is a very good jacket and some people think it's the absolute bee's knees.

RCSignals
08-21-2010, 08:32 PM
From photos I've seen they are a great jacket. Construction is always reported to be almost too perfect. (only ever read one complaint, something about the collar stand)
The Goat apparently is the same that is used for USN G1's so I can see how it would be super tough to distress or get wear to show. The USN G1 from what I've read is specc'd for Chrome tanned goat skin. Very tough, very durable finish.
The inside of the lining of these is made like the G1 with an action pleat provision. I think that's what you mean Crisman?

crismans
08-21-2010, 10:02 PM
The inside of the lining of these is made like the G1 with an action pleat provision. I think that's what you mean Crisman?

That's it, exactly. It is a very comfortable jacket. Like I said, Indy probably would have gotten something like it because even he would have been hard pressed to rough it up. But the hide was just too uniform, too "pristine", with little chance for it to distress, for my tastes.

Still, I might get another some day, just to have one. Another jacket came up that I was wanting so I sold it to gather some funds.

Raider S
08-22-2010, 11:09 PM
It has certainly seemed to fall off the radar of people really into the gear. Maybe that is simply a result of the ever increasing choices out there. But, again, I think there are lot more jacket that look "more Indy" now. Maybe some leather choices would change that, but there's still something about the cut - especially the sleeves.

Chewbacca Jones
08-23-2010, 06:35 AM
Last I heard, they broke the $500 mark, but maybe it didn't stick. I'm sure many retreat from it because of price, especially since it's not going to satisfy the SA itch.

I also think that there's a lot going on in the jacket arena these days. It's hard to know which way to look, there are so many good options now. The Expedition will always have it's fans. I've never been to a summit without seeing at least one. I'd love to own one, but it just never seems to come about for one reason or another.

RCSignals
08-23-2010, 06:55 AM
Really for a jacket built the way it is of the quality materials it is, $500 is a very decent price these days.
I suppose one of the draw backs for sales is most people outside the I-J fan arena just don't know about it, that or many people outside the I-J fan arena are buying it and we just don't see them.
If you were talking about a quality A-2, there are many out there priced well beyond the $500 mark.
We are just very lucky to have so many options in this particular jacket style.

PLATON
09-08-2010, 08:56 AM
The way things have developed, it seems the expedition is a copy of the Bantu Wind jacket, if we take it that Terry Leonard wore that and we believe the stories that some movie fan had the chance to measure it.

crismans
09-08-2010, 07:46 PM
The way things have developed, it seems the expedition is a copy of the Bantu Wind jacket, if we take it that Terry Leonard wore that and we believe the stories that some movie fan had the chance to measure it.




There may be some basis for this. I've seen the post where the original notes on the jacket were posted (someone here has a copy, I believe) and a lot of the specs did match up. The Expo we see today has some fan changes made to the pattern.

Kazim
06-24-2018, 05:57 PM
I think the niche of the G&B is for someone that wants a "real world" Indy Jacket where the priority is not to be mega SA but more for utility. It's tough enough to be worn as a motorcycle jacket and very comfortable. If I was going on an Indy type adventure that's the one I'd wear as its relatively light but very tough. I love my Todd's Bantu Wind, sick grain, but out in the elements I'd take the G&B.

neutronbomb
07-17-2018, 02:31 AM
Nothing wrong with the G&B from all accounts that I’ve heard regarding the durability and craftsmanship. No it’s not SA, but if that’s not important..then worth consideration.

The G&B is one of those jackets that was based off of specs provided by the well known pathological liar Todd Hayes/Patterson who got his jollies by getting jacket manufactures, Indy fans, and an entire web forums ownership and administration to buy his outlandish, outrageous bullshit. He basically cat-fished an entire fanboy industry. Those ‘specs’ of course were not based on any actual film used jackets, but on one of the many itinerations of westeds replicas.

Forest
07-17-2018, 06:14 AM
Hi sorry if I'm hijacking this thread - my first post here and could'nt see how to start a new thread ! - I just ordered a Bill Kelso Relic Hunter (Delivery a way off in Sept/Oct according to Andy) just wondered if anyone here knows how the length falls on the back of these jackets - beginning to think I should have ordered a long version of the 42 as I'm 6 feet 1 - apparently its 23" length on the back from the bottom of the collar to the hem - I's prefer the jacket did'nt hang very low but just make it to the belt line and getting worried it will not even make it to the top of my trousers.
Thanks

neutronbomb
07-18-2018, 01:05 AM
I think you would be happier with a 25.5” back length.

Forest
07-20-2018, 01:02 AM
Thanks for that advise, it’s greatly appreciated to have another opinion - confusing info around about actually how long the jacket is/that pattern is, and how long it effectively really hangs down at the back to.

I contacted Andy and he says it’s not too late to order a long - which is an inch longer I believe? I’ve got a long jacket over the rear and wanted this to hand right on the belt line.... been saving my pennies it’s a substantial investment....

Indiego Jones
07-20-2018, 01:29 PM
Thanks for that advise, it’s greatly appreciated to have another opinion - confusing info around about actually how long the jacket is/that pattern is, and how long it effectively really hangs down at the back to.

I contacted Andy and he says it’s not too late to order a long - which is an inch longer I believe? I’ve got a long jacket over the rear and wanted this to hand right on the belt line.... been saving my pennies it’s a substantial investment....

You must make a deep analysis on the perfect back for you.
Long versions on KELSO's jackets are NOT returnable/refundable.-

Ram Man
08-06-2018, 06:22 PM
I'm 6'2 and any 'Raiders' jacket I've owned is 24.5" minimum, longest being 26". I think 25 is perfect for me bringing the jacket just below the belt line. Hope that helps!

Forest
08-08-2018, 04:58 AM
Very useful indeed, thank you. The chart for Kelso says 42” with 23.5” back fits up to 6”2’ but I had my doubts after measuring several of my jackets.

I was considering going up to a 44” chest to get a longer back and comfort, but uncertain if the raiders style BK RelicH runs large and would be too loose.

Looks like a long 42” is best in the absence of any more clear info on how they fit.

Thanks again,
Ben