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Kevin Anderson
04-30-2012, 03:27 PM
http://www.filmjackets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4365

You have to be a member of Filmjackets.com to see this I think, but..
Has nobody else seen this? Look at the pictures of this jacket. In particular, the back shots. Does it look familiar? And it's COWHIDE.

TheExit148
04-30-2012, 04:55 PM
Here's some pics of the jacket. It's from Lewis Leathers, their MK2 Racer jacket. It's Cow like KA stated.
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/nwanzenr/Lewis%20Leathers/P1000700.jpg
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/nwanzenr/Lewis%20Leathers/P1000698.jpg

HWaltonJonesJr.Phd
04-30-2012, 06:22 PM
Beautiful hide :o Kind of funny that a cowhide is a better match for the Raiders jackets than most lamb out there.

PLATON
04-30-2012, 07:09 PM
the lamb hasn't spoken its last word yet

djd
04-30-2012, 08:13 PM
Gunslingers jacket is the best I've seen and it's lamb. After seeing it i'm not sure how anyone could doubt it

Gunslinger
04-30-2012, 08:48 PM
As I just posted on FJ, it all honesty, I can't see how this could be cowhide. It looks pretty damn close a grain to the skins of the jacket djd mentions. I'd ping Lewis Leathers some photos of it and see if they maybe sent the wrong one. In any event, it's beautiful leather.

Kevin Anderson
05-01-2012, 12:43 AM
If cowhide can look like this, it certainly raises a few questions.
I wonder how it moves and drapes though?

neutronbomb
05-01-2012, 01:40 AM
This is not cowhide. This is an absolute exact match to the mystery jacket and to Tony's 30 year old lambskin. Exact match.

I suspect they duplicated a "thin sheepskin" of one of the Racer's they have archived. Taken from their website:

Late 1940's (left) and early 1950's (right) UVR2 jackets with and without shoulder pads, the 40's model is made of thin sheep leather, no doubt due to shortage of materials during that period, at some time the waist has also been lengthened at the back, presumably the rider wasn't wearing the D Lewis racing trousers as shown in the catalogue image at the top of this thread. The 50's version is made of Horsehide and has early ball chain zippers along with a tartan cotton lining.

Click on thumbnails and then click again for 100%.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/th_RACERMK2_compare.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/?action=view&current=RACERMK2_compare.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/RACERMK2_compare.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/th_TN_30yearhide.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/?action=view&current=TN_30yearhide.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/TN_30yearhide.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/th_LL1.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/?action=view&current=LL1.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/LL1.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/th_BillKlesko1.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/?action=view&current=BillKlesko1.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/BillKlesko1.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/th_scoby.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/?action=view&current=scoby.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/Lewis%20Leathers/scoby.jpg

Kevin Anderson
05-01-2012, 01:54 AM
You'd have to argue that point with Lewis Leathers, I think. They've been working with leather for a while, after all. According the their website, "We only use premium cow leather.."
Not to say that they couldn't have used lamb on this one occasion, but that seems unlikely. It would be worthwhile perhaps to quiz Lewis Leather and the owner of this jacket for more info.
Very interesting stuff!
edit: The owner of the jacket has been very helpful privoding additional information; he pointed out that Lewis do indeed make other jackets using sheep/lambskin, so there's a very
good chance that this is indeed sheepskin as others have suggested above.

PLATON
05-01-2012, 08:12 AM
the mystery jacket remains a mystery
...but not for too long

TheExit148
05-01-2012, 12:55 PM
Owner of the jacket came back after hearing from Lewis Leathers, and its made in veg tanned sheepskin. The MK2 is part of a limited range of jackets in that leather.

Kevin Anderson
05-01-2012, 01:34 PM
Ah, I was wrong then, sorry. :-[ I should know better than to doubt those among us who really know their leathers.

neutronbomb
05-01-2012, 04:16 PM
I received an email back from Lewis Leathers this morning. According to them, all customers have chosen the sheep option.


Dear Bryan,

thank you for your email regarding the Universal Racer Mk 2 jacket.

We offer the jacket in our regular high grade cow leather and also in an artisan-made vegetable tanned sheep leather -as featured in the new jacket photographs on our website and blog. The UVR2 has been available in all sizes at our shop for just over a month now and so far, all of our retail customers have chosen the veg tanned sheep over the cow hide version due to the character and ease of wearing.
Regarding the customer you mention, we are unsure to whom you are referring but they are welcome to contact us if they have any questions.

Kind regards and thank you again for your email.

xxxx xxxxx
Lewis Leathers Ltd


@KA. It's tough in this internet world where many times all we have to go on is what the owner of the jacket says. Sometimes there's a label that says made of sheep or made of cowhide or something that helps, but there's always a chance that the info presented by the owner isn't correct for whatever reason. Not to mention those like Patterson who purposefully tell lies to suit an agenda. In this case, the leather characteristics are very easy to spot. But often, I think it would be difficult from pictures alone to differentiate between various leathers. Also, the website saying "we only use premium cow leather" is now more clear. When we first read that it could mean they only use cow leather. But now we know they mean the cow leather they use is only of premium grade stuff. Also of course, maybe a company's website says we only use cowhide or whatever, but then new leathers come in that they use, but the website doesn't get updated. This would apply to print material also. Hey look at this brochure from the 19....'s. They say they only use horsehide. Yeah well, things change. Sourcing issues come up. Special edition leather is sourced. Millions of things.

This situation has actually made me think about a totally different jacket. The snake plissken jacket. The conclusion by everyone is that it is made of horsehide. It sure looks like some versions of sheepskin though. Part of their argument is that horsehide is what those companies or that company in particular used way back in the earlier decades of last century. However, I thought it interesting that Lewis Leathers states as I posted below that their company did use sheep leather in the 40's. Who knows, maybe really, really old rotten falling apart worn out horsehide leather decades and decades old looks exactly like the unique characteristics of some sheepskin. But, sheepskin is definitely a match for the appearance of the plissken jacket so it makes me wonder.

Kt Templar
05-01-2012, 10:11 PM
Glad to see we hadn't gone mad.

neutronbomb
05-01-2012, 10:31 PM
No doubt. We'd be back to the oil-pulled calfskin fiasco.

Kt Templar
05-02-2012, 07:10 AM
No doubt. We'd be back to the oil-pulled calfskin fiasco.


Mmm, thinking about that, I wonder if that was an aborted attempt to sow the seeds of an Aero jacket. Aero being very keen on using oil pulls. It is a nice leather as 'TC's' Oil pull ToD illustrates so well.

crismans
05-02-2012, 08:30 PM
No doubt. We'd be back to the oil-pulled calfskin fiasco.


Mmm, thinking about that, I wonder if that was an aborted attempt to sow the seeds of an Aero jacket. Aero being very keen on using oil pulls. It is a nice leather as 'TC's' Oil pull ToD illustrates so well.


Certainly is possible. What is for certain is whatever is being put out there as "fact" has an angle. But yeah, I was lucky to get one of the oil pulled cowhide ToDs as well. It's one of the best leathers I've seen from Wested.

Kt Templar
05-02-2012, 08:46 PM
It's fab, even better with a few miles on the clock.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3830/oilpull.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/259/oilpull.jpg/)

PLATON
05-02-2012, 09:57 PM
It's fab, even better with a few miles on the clock.

what is better? the oil pull?
on ToD? or in general?

Kt Templar
05-02-2012, 10:00 PM
It looks and feels great, but it is cowhide and is quite heavy.

The ToD jacket was definitely lamb. A smooth semi-matte lamb no ribby.

PLATON
05-02-2012, 10:30 PM
thin or thick?, soft or stiff?, pigment or aniline?
the back was longer than the front?
does wested still offer it? I don't see it in the website

Raskolnikov
05-03-2012, 05:00 AM
http://www.wested.com/temple-of-doom-jacket-158-p.asp

RCSignals
05-04-2012, 06:00 AM
http://www.filmjackets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4365

You have to be a member of Filmjackets.com to see this I think, but..
Has nobody else seen this? Look at the pictures of this jacket. In particular, the back shots. Does it look familiar? And it's COWHIDE.


From that post


Edit (5/1/2012): It has since been discovered that the leather is vegetable tanned sheepskin rather than cowhide.

Kevin Anderson
05-04-2012, 01:45 PM
http://www.filmjackets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4365

You have to be a member of Filmjackets.com to see this I think, but..
Has nobody else seen this? Look at the pictures of this jacket. In particular, the back shots. Does it look familiar? And it's COWHIDE.


From that post


Edit (5/1/2012): It has since been discovered that the leather is vegetable tanned sheepskin rather than cowhide.


I know, and I acknowledged my mistake one page back. And two days ago...

McQueen
05-05-2012, 05:01 AM
KT,

That oil pulled hide does look good, especially with those lighter brown undertones. It's a shame that Wested no longer offers this skin because that would be my go to choice for an LC

RCSignals
05-20-2012, 07:35 AM
http://www.filmjackets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4365

You have to be a member of Filmjackets.com to see this I think, but..
Has nobody else seen this? Look at the pictures of this jacket. In particular, the back shots. Does it look familiar? And it's COWHIDE.


From that post


Edit (5/1/2012): It has since been discovered that the leather is vegetable tanned sheepskin rather than cowhide.


I know, and I acknowledged my mistake one page back. And two days ago...


Yes I missed it before I posted Oh well