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PLATON
03-29-2012, 11:02 PM
Last night I went out to throw the garbage and I saw something strange sticking out of a garbage bag.
I went closer to have a look and scared a black cat that was eating from the garbage. I reach to grab the bag and what I see inside it?

A leather jacket made of a rich brown color that needed a new home, so I took it home...
It's shape looked familiar but I couldn't remember where I had seen it before. Maybe at the window of some store at the nearest mall, or...

Anyway, I thought I 'd share some photos of it with you guys.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6926/img0718ly.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3739/img0724bt.jpg

More on the next episode of the "Mystery Jacket" (mystery music playing)

Gunslinger
03-29-2012, 11:10 PM
Did you measure its back length?

PLATON
03-29-2012, 11:14 PM
Yes, wanna guess how long it was?

K-Wad
03-30-2012, 12:13 AM
Nice one. I wish I had magic trashcans in my area....

Is that a Berman's tag?

Gunslinger
03-30-2012, 01:30 AM
Hmmm. Twenty...three inches?

neutronbomb
03-30-2012, 01:37 AM
Do we get to see pics of you wearing it. It really would be a magic trash can if it not only spit out Raiders jacket, but also one that fits you perfectly. This may be the first time I've ever seen you post pictures of one of your jackets.

deadseascrolls
03-30-2012, 02:52 AM
Is that a Berman's tag?


K-Wad,

I really think it is! I found a close-up of the B&N label (NO! NOT BARNES AND NOBLE :D) and everything, as best as I can view the label on Platon's pics, matches the B&N.

Therefore, if this IS a B&N jacket, I think Platon hit the jackpot BIG TIME! That's about as close to the movie jacket then as there can be I would think. B&N, if I recall correctly, was the same costume company that provided a lot of stuff to the Raiders film. I know, there shouldn't be any doubt on something so fundamentally "Raiders 101" as this, but I haven't done that much research or reading into Raiders so please forgive me if I sound stupid. :crazy:

However, logic is telling me that there might be more to this jacket than meets the eye. First off, anybody who usually owns an Indy jacket is well-enough familiar with the Indy hobby to know what they have and what it's worth. Secondly, anyone who has such a jacket as this certainly wouldn't trash it and would most likely put it up on Ebay (I mean, it IS an Indy jacket after all and not some cheap knock-off A-2*) *I'm talking about the waaaay old A-2 style jackets. No offense to any current vendor of the A-2 jacket - things have changed A LOT as far as quality goes. I'm talking like JC Penney A-2 jacket.

My logic is telling me that Platon knows exactly what he's got there and is holding something back on us. So PLATON - tell us man what you've REALLY got there! ;) :poke:

BTW - REALLY NICE JACKET! GREAT FIND! :banllama:

Returningson
03-30-2012, 03:51 AM
trash cans....why did it have to be trash cans?.... 8)

neutronbomb
03-30-2012, 03:54 AM
There's some history or a bit of an inside joke. A few years ago Platon also found raiders pants in that same trash can :angel:

I had heard Peter was resurrecting the B&N label for his latest pattern.

jnicktem
03-30-2012, 04:00 AM
Looks pretty good. What kind of leather is it? What material is the lining and any inside pockets? To me it looks like the label is a play off of the B&N label. Looks like a brand new jacket from a new maker.

Raskolnikov
03-30-2012, 08:02 AM
At last someone found my jacket!
Platon, thanks a lot. Would you please send it back to me as soon as you can?

PLATON
03-30-2012, 08:17 AM
Episode 2

I went to sleep that night wondering why would someone throw what seemed to be a good jacket in the garbage. I though I 'd examine the jacket more closely the next day.

Zzzzz (sleeping)

The sun was up the next morning and the birds outside were signing their usual (annoying) tune.
I made a coffee and took the jacket to check it out.

After checking it for a while, I found what was wrong with it.
Its leather was not the normal fine fashion lambskin than we buy from the mall or what our Italian 'haute couture' designer friends have got us used to.

Instead, it had something that seemed to be a defect. The right side of the chest was full of some strange marks. Like little bubbles. Ah, that must have been it. The previous owner must have bought the jacket, thought it was good quality but then noticed the defect and got angry because they deceived him and sold him a faulty jacket. He must have had a high temper, otherwise I can't explain why he threw it away. He could have gotten it back to get a refund. Or maybe it was destiny. Maybe I was supposed to find it. Who knows.

Here is a photo of the defect. I wonder what caused these strange marks. Probably the leather is some 'cheap' and 'bad quality' stuff.


http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/134/img0738cf.jpg


here's a close up of the marks


http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/230/img0736qu.jpg


and here
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4976/img0737zj.jpg

Oh MY GOD!!!! They 're E V E R Y W H E R E...... even in the back

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2766/img0740yo.jpg



I was happy to find a good jacket in the trash, but now I was also mad about this defect. I had to find the maker of this jacket to explain to me WTF was going on with these marks. Did he really have to ruin such a beautiful jacket by making it with such a crappy leather?

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More on the next episode of the "Mystery Jacket"
Stay with us!

Raskolnikov
03-30-2012, 08:50 AM
No doubt anymore, that's my jacket.
UPS Express Critical is fine with me...

indymassilia
03-30-2012, 09:26 AM
MMM..For me it's looks like a Tony Nowak in smooth shrunken lambskin,or a US wings 30 years anniversary ,because of the collar stormflap and collar size...
Maybe to,a new Todd's costume jacket prototype...

jnicktem
03-30-2012, 11:49 AM
It's definitely based off of the TN raiders design- but made by someone else methinks.

IfAdventureHasAName
03-30-2012, 02:02 PM
The suspense of the slow reveal of the jacket is torturing me. :doh: It's like those old 1930's movie matinee serials where it ends with some kind of cliffhanger and you have to wait until next week to find out what happens. Waitaminute....

Beautiful jacket...from what I have seen so far.

TheExit148
03-30-2012, 02:53 PM
The pockets look Nowak, the collar at least in the angle shown doesn't look like the Nowak, more like the Wested Hero. Either way, the leather is very nice.

Returningson
03-30-2012, 03:17 PM
ahhh..Im glad my photo of the back of my jacket proving the length to be 23 inches helped. ;D

indymassilia
03-30-2012, 03:46 PM
..Why not a Bill Kelso custom Hero jacket with a shrunken vegetable brown lambskin?
Platon has already bought a jacket from this manufacturer..!
Or Mark Kitter from Adventurebilt is going to make a new Indy "props" leather jacket,ahaha after his beautiful fedora !

Returningson
03-30-2012, 03:49 PM
im also thinking Bill Kelso...or maybe its a member here outsourcing the jackets... 8)

deadseascrolls
03-30-2012, 04:11 PM
im also thinking Bill Kelso...or maybe its a member here outsourcing the jackets... 8)


As Donovan would say: "You could be more right than you know". ;) :storm:

Returningson
03-30-2012, 04:14 PM
hahahaha..NICE! And, of course, the jacket looks really good! and I have no idea what this emoticon means but I will use it anyway :banllama:

Returningson
03-31-2012, 03:41 PM
sweatin with antcipation!!! :hairguy:

IfAdventureHasAName
03-31-2012, 05:59 PM
Just hoping that this project leads to another vendor for "Indiana Jones" jackets. And not just limited to "Raiders" styled jackets.

PLATON
04-01-2012, 12:28 PM
Sunday,
a friend photographer came to visit me and he saw the jacket lying on the couch.
he liked it so much that he said he 'd like to photograph it.

So we took it and went to his studio.
While he was getting his gear ready to take start, I took few shots with my cheapo crappy camera.


http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6374/img0743ov.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6521/67525232.jpg
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/600/36578438.jpg
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/7936/12295001.jpg
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/6535/81475622.jpg

So after he started taking some shots, he said "hey you know what? this jacket reminds me of a jacket I 've seen in some movie. Only I can't remember which"

I answered "Really? getta outta here"

"Oh no" he said "it's true, I am busting my head to remember which movie"

I started to hum the IJ theme and he went crazy "Oh Man" he said "this is it, where did you find this jacket?, it's the best one I 've seen"

"I found it in the garbage" I replied, "but don't know how it ended up there, or who made the jacket"

"Oh that's really simple" he answered "why don't you look on the label? see what it says"
"I bet the info you want is all there" he said

"That's not a bad idea...." I thought


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More on the next episode of "the mystery jacket"

Returningson
04-01-2012, 04:07 PM
love the zipper curl and do see the same texture but more detail shots are needed. The ones posted make it look a little too closer to a Wested...

Kazim
04-01-2012, 05:07 PM
The back shot is telling me Wested.

Ravenswood
04-01-2012, 06:03 PM
I like how far up the pocket flap seams are to the top lip of the cargo pockets. A very Hero feature! :toast:

PLATON
04-02-2012, 11:21 AM
The back shot is telling me Wested


reminds you of Wested because they have a similar shot
the Wested jacket back is longer though

IfAdventureHasAName
04-02-2012, 05:10 PM
The back shot is telling me Wested


reminds you of Wested because they have a similar shot
the Wested jacket back is longer though


After "Platon's" comment, I assume it is safe to say the jacket in not a Wested Leather's "Hero" jacket.

PLATON
04-02-2012, 05:50 PM
All I can say is that if this was a Wested then it wouldn't be a mystery

IfAdventureHasAName
04-02-2012, 06:03 PM
A mystery that all of us are eagerly following as we witness the mystery slowly unravel.

Ravenswood
04-03-2012, 03:44 AM
All I can say is, I'm glad I found another jacket to get.....#12, you are currently on my radar ;) :banllama:

PLATON
04-03-2012, 06:59 AM
episode 3 of the "Mystery Jacket" coming soon.... We 'll unravel the mystery of the mystery maker of the mystery jacket
stay tuned!

bigrex
04-03-2012, 08:40 AM
Surely this is an April Fool's installment? :sheep:

Returningson
04-03-2012, 08:25 PM
nope....but maybe the unvieling of whats on the label might conclude this "bedtime story" 8)

TheExit148
04-04-2012, 07:41 PM
No updates?!? Whats going on here?

Ravenswood
04-05-2012, 01:40 AM
I cry Uncle!
Surely we told you there would be other interested parties. ;)

Tibor
04-05-2012, 03:14 AM
The man is... nefarious. 8)

PLATON
04-05-2012, 10:23 AM
He's right I thought, all we have to do is look at the label...

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2373/mg0338y.jpg

So who is this Breman and Naethan? Never heard of this before. (The mall don't have this)
It does not ring any bells. "There is no useful info on the label, not even a website, where do these guys live? in the 80s?" I wondered.

"Let's look at the yellow pages" my friend said
"Oh good idea they got to be there!!!"

I flip the pages and flip more pages, countless pages I flip, but can't find any such names there.

"What's going on?" I thought. How these people expect to sell their jackets if they 're not in the yellow freakin' pages?

"Let's check on the internet" my friend suggested. "Check out www.bramanandnatahn.com (http://www.bramanandnatahn.com)"

I type the name in the address bar of my I.E. but nothing comes up. Only a "Page not found" message.

"Man, this is getting boring he said, we''ll never gonna find these guys" my friend whined.

"By the way, this jacket fits me damn well" he said. "What's it's size?"

"I don't know" I replied "why don't we measure it?"

Okay...let's see
It measures...


pit to pit 22 1/2 in
back 23 in
shoulder 7 in
sleeve 25 1/2 in

...and those nicely made pockets 8 x 6 1/2 in

"ah, it has an inside slit pocket too"
"wait, I found something! There's something in the pocket, it's a piece of paper...."

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more in the next episode of the "mystery jacket"

TheExit148
04-05-2012, 02:14 PM
Ok I think this had been dragged out long enough ;) Give us the nitty gritty!

IfAdventureHasAName
04-05-2012, 02:29 PM
Patience. Must have patience. :doh: :banghead: But, again, if this leads to a new "Raiders" jacket offering from a new or current vendor, then the wait will be worth it.

Kevin Anderson
04-05-2012, 02:41 PM
I can see now why they kicked you off COW, Platon; you're annoying! :goodjob:
Seriously though, whatever you're doing is working, because I'm very keen to see just what this 'mystery' jacket really is. Hurry up and reveal all!

TheExit148
04-05-2012, 03:31 PM
That lining doesn't look like a Wested or anything I've seen recently. It looks like a cotton material that Barbour would use.

whipcracker
04-05-2012, 03:34 PM
From a different movie: (Platon): "You'll just have to wait." (whipcracker): "I hate waiting." (at least I am not waiting around to kill you because you seem like a decent fellow)

This could be a one heck of a jacket story....It looks famously awesome so far. Hurry up Platon...

PLATON
04-05-2012, 03:38 PM
Step by step we unravel the mystery... stay with us!!!

do you like the label ?

indydude18
04-05-2012, 03:56 PM
Step by step we unravel the mystery... stay with us!!!

do you like the label ?



DUH! ;D

indymassilia
04-05-2012, 08:17 PM
Mmmm...a homemade jacket..chinese or pakistan-India block-jacket-buster!!
Or i know Mr Harrison Ford is going engage on the market with his own business's jacket!!

crismans
04-05-2012, 09:03 PM
Very interesting thread! I really like the leather and cut on this one!

K-Wad
04-05-2012, 09:14 PM
Platon,

If that label didn't come with the jacket, where did you get it?
I've been looking for months for a replica B&N label with zero results.

neutronbomb
04-05-2012, 11:24 PM
How tall are you Platon.

PLATON
04-06-2012, 07:36 AM
5 10
why?

neutronbomb
04-06-2012, 07:39 PM
Just looking at how the jacket fits you in that one photo.

PLATON
04-07-2012, 10:42 AM
love the zipper curl and do see the same texture but more detail shots are needed.


how about this for more detailed photos?

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4903/mg0332x.jpg

Topper
04-07-2012, 12:01 PM
Looks alot different then Indy jackets from other well known jacket makers.
Of course in a very positive way :goodjob:

Ravenswood
04-07-2012, 02:20 PM
I'm gonna throw a "Magnoli (?)" in the ring! :whip:

Kazim
04-07-2012, 03:37 PM
That hide is awesome in that pic. Just the right amount of grain.




love the zipper curl and do see the same texture but more detail shots are needed.


how about this for more detailed photos?

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4903/mg0332x.jpg

K-Wad
04-07-2012, 04:15 PM
I'm saying it was Bill Kelso in the library with the candlestick...

crismans
04-07-2012, 04:40 PM
I'm saying it was Bill Kelso in the library with the candlestick...


I think I'm agreeing. Look forward to this being fully unveiled.

TheExit148
04-07-2012, 04:41 PM
I'm agreeing with K-wad, probably a Bill Kelso. I love this leather too! Would love to have this!

IfAdventureHasAName
04-07-2012, 07:04 PM
If it is a Bill Kelso jacket, I wonder if the delay of the "unveil" has to do with a notice you receive when you first go onto the Bill Kelso website stating they are revamping their website for additional products? Of course, pure speculation on my part and I am assuming this is the same Bill Kelso who produces A-2 jackets.

PLATON
04-08-2012, 11:05 AM
this leather is amazing

3 more for your pleasure


http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4440/img0951zi.jpg

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2196/img0952h.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2456/img0953ln.jpg

deadseascrolls
04-08-2012, 03:18 PM
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P

The only thing I can think of after I saw the pics above is a statement by Commissioner Gordon in "Batman Begins" after seeing the Batmobile doing its thing:

"I've gotta get me one of those!"

This is why I can't play CLUE - the suspense is too unbearable! ;)

RCSignals
04-09-2012, 09:33 AM
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4440/img0951zi.jpg

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2196/img0952h.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2456/img0953ln.jpg

TheExit148
04-10-2012, 03:44 PM
Updates? Lets get this show on the road!

whipcracker
04-10-2012, 06:45 PM
Wait the zipper looks like brass, doesn't that make it not SA or is it nickle painted brass color?

Maybe it's not SA enough for you Platon, I will gladly take it of your hands.

That leather looks amazing...

Tibor
04-15-2012, 03:27 AM
:whip:

...anything new?

Kazim
04-15-2012, 02:54 PM
:whip:

...anything new?


The man is nefarious.

PLATON
04-17-2012, 05:20 PM
from last episode


Okay...let's see
It measures...


pit to pit 22 1/2 in
back 23 in
shoulder 7 in
sleeve 25 1/2 in

...and those nicely made pockets 8 x 6 1/2 in

"ah, it has an inside slit pocket too"
"wait, I found something! There's something in the pocket, it's a piece of paper...."


I put my hand in the pocket and take out the small piece of paper.

It reads...

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5404/scan0013hl.jpg


"Hmm!!! What could this mean?" I wondered

My friend grabs the paper out of my hands. "It's definitely a copy of something" he said.
"Thank you very much for the info"

"Oh wait, there's another paper here! Looks like a receipt."

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More on the next episode of the Mystery Jacket (mystery music playing)

neutronbomb
04-17-2012, 05:23 PM
LOL. Just wondering. Why the need for the pic showing the 23" back length if the 517 was in hand of which this is a 100% copy.

K-Wad
04-18-2012, 12:40 AM
What? No note from an overworked seamstress about being held hostage?

Returningson
04-19-2012, 10:30 PM
517 huh.....funny...i seem to recognize that number.... :banllama:

PLATON
04-19-2012, 10:49 PM
is it in your pocket too?

Ravenswood
04-20-2012, 01:22 PM
So this is a copy of a TN Raiders #517 from whom?
#517 is the source of unspeakable power, and it has to be researched. ;D

Kazim
04-21-2012, 01:19 AM
Seems like top men must be working on it.



So this is a copy of a TN Raiders #517 from whom?
#517 is the source of unspeakable power, and it has to be researched. ;D

bigrex
04-21-2012, 06:08 PM
what would a 99% copy look like? :rolleyes: :D

Dagda
04-22-2012, 12:57 AM
Tie-died hemp fabric with anti-corporate stickers all over the back.

Kevin Anderson
04-23-2012, 03:06 AM
Hmm.. this leather looks very much like a jacket I've just seen at Filmjackets.com. Made by Lewis Leathers.
If this 'mystery' jacket is not made by them, I'll be most surprised. ;D

TheExit148
04-23-2012, 07:15 PM
I'm going with Bill Kelso for sure as the maker. With the custom B&N tag, and the mannequin used for shots (pretty much the same on other Bill Kelso jackets) and the fact that they are prepping their site for more jackets all lead me to believe this jacket is a Bill Kelso.

Kt Templar
04-23-2012, 08:13 PM
I wouldn't like to bet against you there.

DocWeeks
05-02-2012, 11:40 PM
So, is this thread just dead?

Returningson
05-03-2012, 12:31 AM
Its not dead... Just "simmering"... :banllama:

neutronbomb
05-03-2012, 12:44 AM
Sometimes I think Platon revels in :hairguy:

If there's one thing this hobby does is make you develop patience. That and trust issues.

K-Wad
05-03-2012, 12:53 AM
If there's one thing this hobby does is make you develop patience. That and trust issues.


:agree:

crismans
05-03-2012, 03:49 AM
Platon has dropped enough hints that I don't think it will be long before the big "reveal". Looking very much forward to it.

PLATON
05-17-2012, 09:35 AM
I guess the Mystery jacket is no longer a mystery.
All its information can be found online and can be yours from
www.billkelsomfg.com (http://www.billkelsomfg.com)

djd
05-17-2012, 09:58 AM
Looks really good! Oh to be rich!

PLATON
05-17-2012, 10:09 AM
This quality and degree of authenticity was never before obtainable at such cheap price.

Gunslinger
05-17-2012, 10:58 AM
Very nice. I'd love to see it in the other hides.

djd
05-17-2012, 11:04 AM
I don't doubt that platon. It was a comment on my finances rather than the price!

PLATON
05-17-2012, 11:21 AM
There is also a very familiar tune among the tracks heard on the website

Guessed which?

and don't forget to click on the full screen icon (on the left corner of each photo) to get a magnifed view

djd
05-17-2012, 01:22 PM
Platon , what are the differences in the pattern with say the Wested hero or the TNO jackets? Just curious

djd
05-17-2012, 01:24 PM
.... And at what stage did Patterson hand deliver a screen used jacket for Mr Kelso to copy? ;-)

IfAdventureHasAName
05-17-2012, 02:14 PM
Fortune and Glory member "PLATON",
Though I sent an email to Bill Kelso MFG, maybe you can assist with this question. Does Bill Kelso MFG do custom sleeves and back lengths for "The Relic Hunter"? After reviewing the new website, I did not see any sort of option for such.

PLATON
05-17-2012, 02:15 PM
Kelso bribed Lucas' cleaning lady to get access to the jacket :crazy:

Your question will be answered if you go to the site click "Our Jackets" and then the "Civilian" tab (you will need to read what's under it too)

cheers

PLATON
05-17-2012, 02:17 PM
Fortune and Glory member "PLATON",
Though I sent an email to Bill Kelso MFG, maybe you can assist with this question. Does Bill Kelso MFG do custom sleeves and back lengths for "The Relic Hunter"? After reviewing the new website, I did not see any sort of option for such.

I can tell you for sure that teh sleeves won't be a problem.
For the back, I will have to check and will let you know.

IfAdventureHasAName
05-17-2012, 02:25 PM
Thanks, "PLATON". Much appreciated.

Returningson
05-17-2012, 03:26 PM
EPIC ;D

K-Wad
05-17-2012, 08:07 PM
Well, it has been posted on COW and guess who is already bashing it :crazy:


"So - He copied either a TNO or a G&B? LMAO! Well he missed three things. The errors show-up in the pictures - clear as day. Tony got them right. G&B got them right. They (Bill Kelso) missed them if that jacket pictured is what they are selling.

And don't ask - I learned a long time ago not to fix other people's problems." See, the inaccuracies are so "glaring" (his word) that no one else can see them and if you don't know what they are, he won't tell you!
Supposedly, the price is also too high for the level of accuracy (even though the standard lamb option is CHEAPER than an Expedition, which is WAY more inaccurate!)

I guess Bill didn't offer someone a free jacket!

djd
05-17-2012, 08:17 PM
How predicable.... What do you fanboys know about anything? You'll be looking at screen-grabs next.... Hand me my cloth mock-up, I'm leaving!

K-Wad
05-17-2012, 08:52 PM
How predicable.... What do you fanboys know about anything? You'll be looking at screen-grabs next.... Hand me my cloth mock-up, I'm leaving!
"If you need me, I'll be over at the Bantu Wind sound stage...!"

crismans
05-17-2012, 08:53 PM
I think my standard answer to anything he says is "He's a dick".

By the way, that's a hell of a jacket. I'd love to see some pics of the grainy lamb.

Raskolnikov
05-17-2012, 09:34 PM
Yeah, me too. Congratulations on this one; it looks beautiful, and as screen acurate as it can get: :goodjob: Thumbs up as well for the homage you've done to Big Tony.

neutronbomb
05-17-2012, 09:55 PM
I'm sure they'll be tearing it apart over there soon enough. After all, to get their seal of approval and to successfully sell to Indiana Jones fans a vendor has to go through the payola system and :hail: to the almighty Cowers. Otherwise, sorry but we'll have to recommend against your product. Didn't you know that already. If you skip the established system over there and don't become a registered vendor with them and :-* their rosy asses, you'll just never make it. We'll make sure of that. Who do you think you are anyway :swear:

Thing is he couldn't see the glaring, obvious difference between the Prototype jacket vs the Imam and Main Hero jackets so I find it hard to believe he could personally find his butthole with an instruction manual, both hands, and a flashlight ??? :hairguy: :read: :'( I bet it's just a ploy from his bag of bullshit. Like the bantu wind stage. Say something like that and then let others start tearing it apart to try and find something. Then "confirm" it. He just plays and uses other people. "LMAO!". Really Todd. Really. VS what. The last project you guys were all hot and heavy and :P over.

Hey Platon, I do wish Bill Kelso the best. I really like the color and the hide. Diggin' the website also. Don't be afraid to start using the vendor section.

crismans
05-18-2012, 02:24 AM
Don't forget that he roundly argued against Holt and myself over there being two distinct LC jackets (check out around the collars) and claimed it was all photographic trickery. He's a moron of the highest level.

And I'll try to leave it at that and not detract from this great jacket.

PLATON
05-18-2012, 07:35 AM
OK,
So it seems there is a problem with the zipper huh?

Just for your info Bermans & Nathans no longer exists (since long ago) and Kelso had its lawyers check which is why it was 'OK' to use the label of a 'dead' company.

You can also check here:
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/c551e404a51eb55f9c07beca9939bb24/companysearch?disp=1&frfsh=1337325518&#result

Also someone is forgetting that B&N did not sell their clothes to the public so it is not like if Kelso copied the "Ralph Lauren" label or the like. The label is there for historical reasons and sales in no way depend on the 'label'.

Our 'friend' is full of lies as usual.

Regards,

PS: Also if someone feels a stitch should not be there, Kelso will remove it from his jacket.

djd
05-18-2012, 07:47 AM
Clearly it's no where near as SA as the Wings Legend which the COW greats were so keen for the members to buy....

IfAdventureHasAName
05-18-2012, 01:26 PM
As I stated in a earlier post, I emailed Bill Kelso MFG concerning customizing the sleeve and back lengths of the "Relic Hunter". Received a reply email this morning which reads as follows:

"Hello (name),

Thanks for your message.

We can customize the sleeve and back for you.
If it's something easy that you need we can do it for free.
If it's something we feel we have to modify our pattern to do it there will be an extra charge of eur 20.

If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.

Regards,
Andy"

Unfortunately, I forgot to ask what the current "turnaround" time was concenring the jacket. But, regardless, received the information I requested. I'd "pull the trigger" on this jacket if I didn't already have some other gear related projects in the works. Maybe, hopefullly sometime "down the line" soon.

Fortune and Glory member "PLATON", thank you for your assistance in this matter. Much appreciated.

DocWeeks
05-18-2012, 01:37 PM
Good god that's a beauty, will now be the closest I can get to one of Tony's shrunken lambs. I asked Tony to switch my Raiders to a Surrogates and regretted it immensely afterward (not that I don't love my surrogates).

But damn if that isn't an awesome jacket.

djd
05-18-2012, 01:41 PM
If anything i would say this shrunken lamb is better looking for SA than anything TNO had

Indiego Jones
05-18-2012, 01:55 PM
It isn't shrunken. That leather has no shrink process.

djd
05-18-2012, 02:10 PM
Sorry - my mistake. Striated lamb

IfAdventureHasAName
05-18-2012, 03:21 PM
Just heads up, here is the reply from Bill Kelso MFG concerning an follow up email I sent concerning custom specifications concerning the back and sleeve lengths on the "Relic Hunter" along with the current "turnaround time".

"Dear (name),

The boss says this is the special offers week and modifications are for free.

Current turnaround time is one month and growing.


Kind regards,
Andy"

So, for those who are seriously considering purchasing the "Relic Hunter" and have particular modifications, that aren't a change to the pattern, and you have the funds, this maybe a great time to "pull the trigger". Enjoy.

indymassilia
05-18-2012, 05:23 PM
About the dark brown striated leather skins color,Bill Kelso ask me it will be soon available,and if numerous people will want this kind of leather ,it will be a matter of weeks to obtain this leather..This is his answer :
"The dark brown may be available in about 4 weeks time or less from the moment we order it.
However there is no plan for dark brown yet, but that can change in a matter of minutes if we see that there is demand for the dark brown."

So if you are like me who prefer the dark brown color,don't hesitate to send him a email to increase the demand! thanks!

indydude18
05-18-2012, 05:45 PM
PLATON,

Do you have any pictures showing the difference between the Striated Lambskin and the Grainy Lambskin?

Weston
05-18-2012, 06:08 PM
PLATON,

Do you have any pictures showing the difference between the Striated Lambskin and the Grainy Lambskin?


I'd also be interested in seeing that. It's a beautiful jacket!

Weston

PLATON
05-18-2012, 08:17 PM
OK how about this?
Color is not correct, sorry. These were made with my own camera in peculiar lighting conditions but I suppose you get the idea.

back
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/7783/img2037ib.jpg

side vent
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/908/img2039mr.jpg

sleeve back
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/9528/img2040ud.jpg

sleeve elbow
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5029/img2041z.jpg

pocket corner
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/5493/img2042cb.jpg

chest
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2192/img2043hv.jpg

pocket flap
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2848/img2045ys.jpg

side strap
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/278/img2046s.jpg

collar back
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3817/img2047t.jpg


Hear that lamb prices are going up so I don't know for how long Kelso will afford to keep such low price for this. The idea behind this was to enable every fan to get an excellent jacket with a great leather in the correct pattern witout spending a fortune.

djd
05-18-2012, 08:23 PM
Very nice work pal. Of course the stitches aren't correct...

Nonsense aside, it's beautiful and I would be ├╝ber jealous if I hadn't just got my Wested. The state if the euro isnt going to be helping Mr Kelso keep his prices under control I fear.... That said, it's an enterprise that deserves to succeed

PLATON
05-18-2012, 08:34 PM
I am not finished yet

here's storm flap
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7327/img2053v.jpg

the camera does not have the capacity to capture what I see but I will show you something to understand what I mean

this is a close up to the back

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6249/img2048z.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8541/img2049i.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4070/img2050uk.jpg

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/826/img2051xj.jpg

indydude18
05-18-2012, 09:30 PM
Woah! Nice! I'm really digging the grainy lambskin. But I also want a striated one!

Maybe two? :crazy:

The grainy comes in dark brown right?

IfAdventureHasAName
05-19-2012, 01:08 AM
Thank you for the pictures, "PLATON". Much appreciated. :goodjob: But, do you think you can get just a little bit more closer with the camera? :crazy: Just kidding. GREAT pictures.

deadseascrolls
05-19-2012, 01:40 AM
Good god that's a beauty, will now be the closest I can get to one of Tony's shrunken lambs.

But damn if that isn't an awesome jacket.


Well, now that the cat is out of the bag, I think I "might" have the OK of PLATON in saying that he's been working on this jacket for a VERY LONG TIME and in regards to the above first quote - this jacket, with all of the research, nuances, and knit-picking that PLATON has spent researching and researching and researching the Raiders jacket, with a very strong penchant to get EVERY detail right (which is why he strongly encourages all of you to speak up and let him know what needs to be changed - and I mean STRESSES! Don't be afraid folks to tell it like it is to him - he DESIRES to hear it :)), this jacket is designed to be BETTER than Tony's in a way without the goal of actually pursuing that goal. PLATON'S goal for this jacket is simply to make the most accurate Raiders jacket that will ever exist (minus the actual film jacket) and make it so that people can afford it.

After talking with PLATON as well as another member on here privately, I came to the conclusion that given PLATON'S fervent research and desire for every nuance being right, if I EVER were to get a Raiders jacket for my collection, I would only go with PLATON through Bill Kelso Mfg. He has spent enough time "Researching" the jacket that, for what it's worth, I give my personal endorsement on without actually even holding it in my hand. That's how confident I am in PLATON's work.

So folks - I truly believe this jacket IS better than Tony's (and I mean that in no offense to Tony) and the fact that COW is bashing it already should be considered actually one of the greatest compliments. Apparently it's good enough to "not be good enough".

And to the 2nd quote I posted My answer - :agree:

neutronbomb
05-19-2012, 03:19 AM
I love the enthusiasm and passion. As everyone knows I have a biased opinion on the matter. This is a beautiful jacket though. No doubt about it.

Weston
05-19-2012, 04:59 AM
Thank you for the pictures Platon! Both Lambs look incredible. I've had my eye on Kelso's A-2, but I'm sorely tempted by this one.

Weston

Kt Templar
05-19-2012, 08:14 AM
Very interesting, that lamb has the sort of grain and finish I'd normally associate with horse. Nice!

PLATON
05-19-2012, 09:56 AM
Hi Guys,

Thanks for the nice feedback. All opinions are valuable, please keep them coming.


The grainy comes in dark brown right?

The grainy lamb will be available in a darker shade than the photos I posted earlier.

Kazim
05-19-2012, 07:45 PM
What is the weight like on the grainy lamb? And when will the dark lamb be available? Its gorgeous.



Hi Guys,

Thanks for the nice feedback. All opinions are valuable, please keep them coming.


The grainy comes in dark brown right?

The grainy lamb will be available in a darker shade than the photos I posted earlier.

Returningson
05-20-2012, 03:43 PM
are those triglides metal? I wouldnt mind just a set of those so I can swap them out on my other jackets! ;D

djd
05-20-2012, 03:44 PM
They look like ones KT had a line on a couple of years ago

Returningson
05-20-2012, 03:50 PM
a little off topic but does anyone know where I can score metal onces? I think the ones on ebay are hard plastic...

djd
05-20-2012, 04:34 PM
KT had them. He gave me some to replace the shiny ones on my Magnoli. Ask him :-)

K-Wad
05-21-2012, 12:52 AM
a little off topic but does anyone know where I can score metal onces? I think the ones on ebay are hard plastic...


Try hardware elf (http://www.hardwareelf.com/elf/rings.jsp)
Fourth ones down from the top.

Returningson
05-21-2012, 03:37 AM
sweet! Thanks! ;D

PLATON
05-21-2012, 01:22 PM
Hey Platon, I do wish Bill Kelso the best. I really like the color and the hide. Diggin' the website also. Don't be afraid to start using the vendor section.

Thanks.
How to use that?

McQueen
05-21-2012, 02:47 PM
Platon,

Do you have measurements on the jacket used for these? I saw the sizing chart on the website, but I couldn't see anything stating the pit to pit, sleeve length etc.

PLATON
05-21-2012, 03:55 PM
Need one favor guys,
as neither Bill Kelso nor myself follow what is going on on COW, if any guys there have any questions please tell them they can only get answers if they write to sales@billkelsomfg.com

Andy of Bill Kelso stepped in once to clarify the B&N label matter and that's it.

Thanks,

neutronbomb
05-21-2012, 04:25 PM
@Platon

Just go to the bill kelso vendor area section and start posting. Also this way customers can start threads asking questions.

I certainly hope bill kelso doesn't let himself get strong armed into providing free jackets for those guys.

indydude18
05-21-2012, 05:16 PM
Need one favor guys,
as neither Bill Kelso nor myself follow what is going on on COW, if any guys there have any questions please tell them they can only get answers if they write to sales@billkelsomfg.com

Andy of Bill Kelso stepped in once to clarify the B&N label matter and that's it.

Thanks,


Done

DocWeeks
05-21-2012, 06:29 PM
I certainly hope bill kelso doesn't let himself get strong armed into providing free jackets for those guys.


If those crooks end up with a free jacket, the money I'm saving will go elsewhere.

PLATON
05-21-2012, 06:44 PM
At Bill Kelso they follow the same 'free goods' policy as with the music industry, i.e. for every 10 that you buy, you get 1 for free.
Crooks won't get jacket even if they pay for it. Bill Kelso doesn't deal with crooks.

IfAdventureHasAName
05-22-2012, 02:33 AM
Measurements of a size 42 jacket courtesy of a member of some other message board fan site. ;)

"While the other thread is locked, here are the confirmed sizes for a 42 (from BK also):


Relic Hunter size 42
--------------------
pit to pit 23 1/2
shoulders 20 3/4
back 23 1/2
sleeve 25 3/4

All our lambskins are light.
They are 0.7 - 0.8mm thickness, or 2 oz."

Hope this helps.

PLATON
05-22-2012, 07:42 AM
Guys,
if you need any measurements, please contact Bill Kelso. The full measurements are not posted on the website for obvious reasons.

TheExit148
05-24-2012, 06:08 PM
My biggest issue with this jacket and ordering from BK, is that I can't fully customize the measurements. My problem is I need 26" sleeve length, with a 21" chest, and 19.25" waist, back length at 23.5" and front storm flap length at 23.5", shoulder across at 19.5" and then half at 6.5" I believe. I also need the arm holes slightly smaller, making the arms also slightly slimmer. It doesn't sound like this is possible because it is considered a major pattern change to accommodate these requests. At that price for the SA stirated lamb, I can't foot the bill. OTR never works for me when it comes to most jackets.

I'm hoping Riley can source a leather exactly like this, and I can go with him if I really have to. I really wish I could get a Bill Kelso Relic hunter, but sizing is killing me.

PLATON
05-25-2012, 07:15 AM
Hi, Kelso can make a pattern especially for you, have done the same for others before. Cost isn't great for that, should be around eur 40 I think.

aenzo
05-28-2012, 02:34 PM
I've ordered a grainy lambskin, and I just want to say that Bill Kelso's communication and service are some of the best I've ever seen from any company in any field. Andy just seems to really care about how things fit, that I'm getting my money's worth, etc. It's very old school and personal feeling. Unless the jacket explodes when I put it on, I'm guessing that I'll probably take a hard look at an A-2 from them as well. Here's hoping they do good business!

djd
05-28-2012, 02:56 PM
That's great to hear! Look forward to seeing pics of the finished product :)

crismans
05-28-2012, 07:07 PM
I've ordered a grainy lambskin, and I just want to say that Bill Kelso's communication and service are some of the best I've ever seen from any company in any field. Andy just seems to really care about how things fit, that I'm getting my money's worth, etc. It's very old school and personal feeling. Unless the jacket explodes when I put it on, I'm guessing that I'll probably take a hard look at an A-2 from them as well. Here's hoping they do good business!


Be sure to take lots of pics. I'm really interested in how the grainy lambskin looks.