Noble-House Indy Jacket (poor jacket, another fairy tail?)

[Topper]

While surfing through the www I've found the following site:

http://www.noble-house.eu/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/44/products_id/95/language/en

Check the Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8Z_o8M_c29c#!

They speak german but here a little translation:
This guy claims while he was in Paris on some international exposition in 2009 that he met by chance some people of Lucasfilm.
A few month later Lucasfilm San Francisco called at his office if they maybe would like to make the Indiana Jones jacket.
They accepted to make the jackets with help from Lucasfilm. Lucasfilm even sent them a real filmused Indy jacket for them to copy.
http://s3.imgimg.de/uploads/Licasgr3711fad3cjpg.jpg

Looks like some screenused LC jacket. But the jacket they made looks so awful bad...
That guy even claims that all the other Indy jackets made by other companies aren't originals :banllama:
The rest of the video he's talking about his factory.

Atleast we have another picture of a possible screenused Lc jacket.

Regards

Topper

[Gunslinger]

Looks like one of Holt's Wested Last Crusades, esp. With those specific distressing marks.

[Topper]

Can't remember any Holt-Distressing which looked this good?

[Gunslinger]

Maybe I'm thinking of a Holt thread from ages ago featuring the (tank chase?) jacket with that storm flap distressing and maybe discussing the Kurtz jacket?

[K-Wad]

Wow, the supposedly had an original to copy and still f---ed it up that bad? :D

Check out the collar construction, no collar stand. I also like the way the chest panels don't line up when it's zipped.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/mypetelvis/indianagrfront.jpg

And this is just sad. Worst pocket flaps ever.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/mypetelvis/IndianaDetailsgr2.jpg

The big, tacky Crystal Skull label in the liner is a nice touch.

[RCSignals]

Interesting. Maybe someone can identify that possible LC jacket. It might just be the photo but it looks ot have quite a point on the pocket flap.

[Mac]

Interesting. Maybe someone can identify that possible LC jacket.

http://www.mattfind.com/12345673215-3-2-3_img/movie/v/e/k/indiana_jones_and_the_last_crusade_1989_485x733_53 2319.jpg

[RCSignals]

Thanks Mac. The collar sure looks like it doesn't it

[Kt Templar]

The Noble hose jacket is nasty. The pic of that jacket on the mannikin is fascinating tho!

[HWaltonJonesJr.Phd]

??? That does look like the motorcycle chase jacket...

http://i.imgur.com/W8JDp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qCyXZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VZmd7.jpg http://i.imgur.com/kxNWE.jpg

[Mac]

??? That does look like the motorcycle chase jacket...

Check out the pocket of the motorcycle jacket:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Jackets/NobleHouseJacketPocketComparison.jpg

[Gunslinger]

If it -is- a copy, it's a damn good one in terms of the attention to detail with those markings, but that's possible to achieve. However, the LC jacket has always looked to me like certain areas such as the pocket have "crustier" leather. This jacket looks far smoother, but it could be the difference in light conditions. It'd be great to see more shots of it.

[neutronbomb]

UPDATE JANUARY 10, 2012. BELOW IS A FICTIONAL STORY I MADE UP YESTERDAY TO ILLUSTRATE A POINT. I'M ALSO CHANGING THE 3 POINT TYPE TO A LARGER ONE IN THE SENTENCE BELOW THE PHOTOS.

Mark it on your calendars boys!!! January 9, 2012, finally after 32 years.

My sister-in-law lives in Marin County. I was up there this weekend and was looking at their paper Saturday morning. I noticed an estate sale by the widow of a 93-year-old man who recently passed away. She was going into a hospice and a lifetime of belongings were being auctioned at 1:00pm. The paper stated the husband had an extensive memorabilia collection. I thought I'd check it out. Absolutely unbelievable find! And I'm breaking the news to you guys first. I'm beside myself with excitement. I've just been running in circles, jumping up and down, and basically screaming in pure joy. My wife and dog think I've gone flat out mad. There's a lot of work yet to do and many things are falling into place, but for now here's a super quick run down. Much, much more to come.

[Deep Breath]
I found it! And bought it! $40 freakin' dollars. No one wanted the damn thing. Didn't even glance at it. Bad shape and almost unrecognizable, but it had three old polaroid photos with it, taken when it was first acquired. On the back of one was signed, "Sam, you are a great friend. Thanks for helping us out with our project. This is for you to show our appreciation. [signed] Bryan Coates." Name rang a faint bell in the back of my head. So I googled it and then casually strolled over to the daughter who was representing the family at the estate sale and with a little prompting she ended up telling me about her dad. Terrific man from what she said, but here's what stood out in my mind. He retired as the building manager for San Francisco City Hall in the late 80's! Yes guys, THAT city hall.

Wow. So much going through my mind right now. I managed to get the old photos uploaded so you guys can see what it is. I'll work on detailed photos of it once I figure out what can safely be uploaded to the internet. Ok guys, here we go. Hot damn this is SO sweet!

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/My%20SOC%20Fedora/A26A17E8.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/My%20SOC%20Fedora/0F873009.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/My%20SOC%20Fedora/921B34C4.jpg









see how easy it is to lie

[HWaltonJonesJr.Phd]

http://i.imgur.com/EbJnD.jpg

[Mac]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Misc/VreenakFake.jpg

Always wanted to use that, LOL!

[DocWeeks]

I'm not too bright, but I'm dumb.

[Mac]

Hey Doc, take a good look at NB’s post, at the bottom, just after the last photo. There’s really, really tiny text there.

Copy that and paste it into a text document, notepad or Word, or into a browser search box to read it. :whip:

[DocWeeks]

Gotcha.

[TheExit148]

I'll give you $50 :D If that is the recent one from Gunslinger, it looks great in those pics.

[RCSignals]

Nice wood pile

[neutronbomb]

This morning I've updated my post below from yesterday to explain that it is a fictional story I posted in this thread, rather than it's own, to make a point and enlarged the small three point type disclaimer sentence below the photos. It was brought to you via:
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/festival%20of%20lights/fl12.jpg


Leave it to Mac to ruin the fun right away :poke: :D, but in actuality I'm glad he did or I would have had to myself to make sure it didn't really get taken seriously and to that end I'm sorry DocWeeks. It was a shitty thing to do and I feel guilty about it. I had been considering really letting it go and having some other members help me carry on the story and create "proof" and having some fun with it, but in the end decided against it. It would be taking a simple point of caution too far. Additionally, at some point in time when I had to reveal it's a fictional story it could be awkward as then it could be viewed as making an excuse for getting caught in a lie. Hence, I put in the disclaimer sentence in the post below the photos. Which of course, kills the ability to continue on with the story.

So two other things other than my original intent cross my mind in regards to this fish tale. I actually didn't feel very good about this after I had done it thinking about how people may feel. I doubt this is a problem for Patterson. Also, there seemed to be a lot of hot activity suddenly on the site which made me wonder if that may be a reason that COW supports Patterson in all his outlandish tall tales.

I'd like to offer DocWeeks $40 paypal credit I'll send to one of the vendors here on our board to make amends. That could be a nice chunk towards something at Todd's Costumes or Wade Egan's, but really whomever's your choice. Just PM me and we'll work it out.




Always wanted to use that, LOL!

Glad I could help you out ;D




I'll give you $50 :D If that is the recent one from Gunslinger, it looks great in those pics.

I'm sure you would :whip: Yes it is the recent vintage HJ from Gunslinger. I'll get a new thread up this morning about it.




I'm not too bright, but I'm dumb.

Not at all Doc. You simply logged on, read something great, and took it at face value. Nothing wrong with that. hell, I thought it was a pretty good story too. I and many others can totally empathize with you on this because that is what happened to us at COW. Hence, much of the vitriol in Nukin' the Fridge. Hopefully no hard feelings :toast:




Nice wood pile

Geez RCSignals. It's the woodpile you noticed! :swear: :D

[Mac]

NB, the point about using photos of an ostensibly authentic prop to bolster a farfetched story is well taken. I’ve no idea if Noble-House really had a deal with LFL or actually examined a real LC jacket, but I believe the purported LC jacket on their website is almost certainly a genuine LC jacket.

It could be faked, as NB (Gunslinger?) has shown a hat can be, but in my opinion it’s much, much harder to accurately replicate distressing on a leather jacket than a felt hat. The level of detail on the mannequin jacket matches very closely the distressing on the collar, chest, and shoulder of the first photo I posted.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Jackets/NobleHouseJacket-LC.jpg

I find it harder to believe that Noble-House has the skill to fabricate a finely detailed LC jacket replica, and then proceeded to manufacture a highly inaccurate product, than it is to believe that Noble-House entered into a licensing agreement with LFL, examined a real LC jacket, and then went on to turn out a mediocre copy.

Sorry to ruin it (bad penny and all that), I hadn’t actually seen the small text when I posted the “It's a Fake” photo, but I noticed the gap in the knot of the bow, so I knew it was NB’s hat from Gunslinger, added to the fact that it was posted in a jacket thread, I assumed it was to make a point about provenance.

Not everyone is necessarily paying close attention to these topics, however, and I think we all agree there’s no need to have casual readers look foolish in the process of demonstrating how easy it is to fabricate a hoax. I know that was not NBs intent, which is why I pointed out the small text and Doc shouldn't feel bad in the least, as it was a convincing and believable story. NBs point is appreciated though; we all want to believe the fantastic is possible and are often willing to accept very flimsy evidence, in this case because we trust the originator. And I have to commend you NB for offering Doc a vendor credit, that’s a really nice gesture. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Gifs/Indy_cheers.gif

[DocWeeks]

Don't even worry about it, had I read closer I would have understood. I was too quick to hope one of our own had acquired a screen used piece. NB, you're a classy standup guy. No apologies are necessary, and it wasn't shitty. I don't need anything for my own inability to read subtext.

[K-Wad]

Just noticed that their jacket also has 3 piece sleeves (where's the vomiting smiley when you need it?)

I bet that picture was taken at the archives and sent to these guys to make their crappy copy.

[HWaltonJonesJr.Phd]

You half-fooled me, NB... I'll take $20.

[RCSignals]

I agree with you mac on that jacket being one of the LC jackets, and on Noble house in general.
If Noble House did have that jacket to duplicate, they did the duplication in the dark. If they claim to be the makers of the movie jacket, I wonder which movie, especially given that 2009 date.
Anyway, they haven't done themselves any favours claiming their jacket is a duplicate. That is the claim?

[Topper]

RC they haven't referred to any Indiana Jones movie. They just talking about the general Indiana Jones jacket. They just mean the style... look at the other stuff on their homepage.
Not even one close Replica of any other well known jacket. I guess because they probably having a license from Lucasfilm. They can claim whatever they like to...
This reminds me a bit of the Mayser Indy hats. They had a license but just made poor stuff.
I mainly started this thread because of the picture of the possible screenused LC jacket.

Regards

Topper

[RCSignals]

Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking they were claiming they made jackets for the movie.
If they do have a licence from lucasfilm, obviously that doesn't include verification of authentic look.

[Kt Templar]

The funniest part? Their jacket doesn't even have the poppers on the storm flap.

:doh:

[neutronbomb]

You half-fooled me, NB... I'll take $20.


Ok. Done ;D Nothing like buying myself a guilt free conscience. :angel: Thanks for letting me off the hook Doc. Seriously, though. I'm happy to chip in that 40 next time your jonesing for something new.



If it -is- a copy, it's a damn good one in terms of the attention to detail with those markings, but that's possible to achieve. However, the LC jacket has always looked to me like certain areas such as the pocket have "crustier" leather. This jacket looks far smoother, but it could be the difference in light conditions. It'd be great to see more shots of it.

It does look very, very much like the photos Mac posted. I would also like to see more detailed shots of it as the smoothness also struck me though as Gunslinger pointed out lighting could be a factor and also maybe the distance, but nevertheless the exactness of the similarities we can see can't be denied.


@Mac. Thank you for your comments. What I had in mind was questing/cautioning the story combined with a random valid looking photo, real LC screenused film jacket or not, posted on their website.

I agree that it's difficult to imagine they created the LC photo jacket and then proceeded to create such a terrible replica. No collar stand either by the looks of it. I'm also doubting their LFL claim. I'd think they would be stating officially licensed Indiana Jones Jacket all over the place if they got the license. The Crystal Skull patch inside, but a LC jacket per the photo just doesn't add up for me.




....
I bet that picture was taken at the archives and sent to these guys to make their crappy copy.

+1

[knibs7]

This is the motorcycle chase jacket.

http://i795.photobucket.com/albums/yy237/kylenibling1020/jacketcompare-1.jpg

As far as the pocket goes, it's the same jacket, you just can't see the rest of the "scratch" because of Harrison's arm.

This shows it IS the same jacket

http://i795.photobucket.com/albums/yy237/kylenibling1020/jacketcomp2.jpg

Kyle

[knibs7]

Maybe I'm thinking of a Holt thread from ages ago featuring the (tank chase?) jacket with that storm flap distressing and maybe discussing the Kurtz jacket?


That might actually be my old LC

Kyle

[PLATON]

they had they damn screen used jacket
and this is the best copy they can make?

http://www.noble-house.eu/catalog/images/indianagrfront.jpg

[fenris]

If they are licensed jackets, maybe they have an agreement with Lucasfilm to NOT use the exact jacket details.

Isn't it weird that most licensed gear or props are not accurate at all? Remember the Noble Collection props? Whip, Headpiece, etc... Maybe Lucasfilm doesn't want accurate replicas sold to the public.

...well, just a thought. Hehe.

[fifthchamber]

Yeah, but even then, you'd line up the pockets wouldn't you? Hehehe...

I think the people doing the copy are either blind, or drunk, or both....I've thrown up things with better quality than that jacket has...It's stunningly bad...

Admittedly, Fenris is (sadly) right on the money with Lucasfilm not caring at all...The whole hat thing shows that beyond any doubt at all...But this is just.....Insane...

Who would pay for that? I mean, other than a drunk blind man? And even then!!

[Oildale Jones]

Who would pay for that? I mean, other than a drunk blind man? And even then!!


People who don't obsess over the details like, oh, some people I know on the Internet. ;)

[fifthchamber]

Hmm.......I think even a "pleb" would notice that the pockets weren't lined up though...We're "freaks", on that I'll agree..But even with that...I mean, even the "normals" can see something being made by a donkey..

At least...I'd hope so, right?

Oh......Wait.......Having just looked at the rest of the people in this room....No, you're right...It's clear that most don't give two toots about wearing something well made...Point fairly made I guess...

Sad isn't it?

[fenris]

I'm sure some people will buy it if it's cheap enough. Especially fans who aren't as versed in Indy details. I was once one of them. I remember seeing a DP Indy hat in a mall and totally thought that it was the same hat Indy has! Only until joining the Indy forums did I realize how wrong I was.

Here's an example of how ordinary people view the Indy costume (found it in a local cosplay forum):
http://www.cosplay.ph/resume/costume/thumb/10569.jpg (http://www.cosplay.ph/resume/costume/10569.jpg)

So if that's how they see the costume, even the jacket being discussed would seem totally screen-accurate!

Oh, and some people even see this as an Indy hat:
http://ak.buy.com/PI/0/350/209248788.jpg

Yeah, even my wife thought that style of hat was basically the same as my Fed IV (or christy's or PB... she can't even tell the difference betweent he three.). :rolleyes:

[djd]

You're right Fenris. Most people don't care - and why should they? If you were to ask me the differences between this years Chelsea soccer strip and last years I couldn't tell you but they'd be more people who could tell you those details than could tell you about the Indy costume

[Kt Templar]

The funny thing is - on the Smithsonian jacket, the jackets left pocket is slightly lower than the right. The opposite to what we see on the Noble House.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8395/14038612805abb1c8c7b.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/14038612805abb1c8c7b.jpg/)

[PLATON]

also the pockets' distance from the storm flap is messed up

do I have to copy all these errors to be considered SA?

[Leamas]

also the pockets' distance from the storm flap is messed up

do I have to copy all these errors to be considered SA?


:D

If you want it to be screen acccurate, then I guess so. I prefer my jackets to be screen "reminiscent", which is a high degree of screen accuracy but with corrections made when needed - like the off placed pockets.