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indydude18
10-24-2011, 09:05 PM
I've been looking through threads and I'm shocked that we don't have a thread on the Grey Raiders fedora! :o

Any information you guys can add as to if it was a Grey Herbert Johnson and if that color is still available today? I also remember someone mentioning that the ribbon was a big wider that the brown fedoras. Feedback?

RCSignals
10-24-2011, 09:12 PM
Hmm. I was sure there was some discussion of the grey fedora here

indydude18
10-24-2011, 09:20 PM
I just looked again RC, and I can't find one dude. :(

Gunslinger
10-24-2011, 11:14 PM
I've got one. A vintage HJ clipper I mean; so I'll be able to give you some pics, etc. to show you the colour. The precise colour isn't available anymore, unfortunately, but I'm happy to say that it's very similar to the grey that I used for my reproductions I sold a few guys. The real HJ is just ~slightly~ warmer.

If you want the closest thing currently on the market, it's an Akubra Camp Draft in a colour called Glen Grey. You just have to switch the ribbon for one in 43mm. (ish) The shape is also quite similar.

indydude18
10-24-2011, 11:42 PM
Kurt, umm.....WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?! POST THAT BABY UP! :goodjob:

Gunslinger
10-25-2011, 12:13 AM
It's currently in pieces in my lounge room shelving. :angel:

neutronbomb
10-25-2011, 01:24 PM
There's debate on the ribbon width of the grey clipper vs the brown fedora(s).
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_greyclipper1.jpg

The Indy that could have been. Grey Fedora and black bomber jacket that even comes with offset arm to yoke seams.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/screentest2.png

And direct from "The Land of Bullshit", "When the hat was ready for filming, Harrison Ford added his own touches to the hat by keeping the front pinch nice and tight and giving the back brim an upwards "swoop" that is one of the many trademarks of the Indiana Jones fedora." and, "but Harrison Ford worked his magic once again and gave the back brim a slight, upwards curl or "swoop" as he had done on the Raiders fedora. This swoop is one of the defining traits that separated Indiana Jones fedoras from all the rest."

See, notice how early in the whole process Harrison Ford was able to work his magic on that front pinch and serious upwards swoop of the Indy Fedora.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/screentest1.png

Here's a few other "grey clipper" fedoras other characters wear in the movie. Again, that Ford. Everywhere working his magic on the back brim upwards swoop.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other5.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other6.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other1.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other2.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other3.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other4.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other7.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other8.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other9.jpg

indydude18
10-25-2011, 03:15 PM
Wow, that's alot of info NB, THANKS! :)

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other5.jpg

In this picture at least, the ribbon seems slightly bigger, close to 43ish like Kurt said.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other7.jpg

Whoa, is that a hint of a crease of the front?

Indiana Bugs
10-26-2011, 01:06 AM
Yes, it seems the gray fedora for a lot of use in the movie.

Gunslinger
10-27-2011, 01:20 PM
43 is my guess. I had been punting on it being a 38mm / 1.5" but have kind of changed my working theory. When I get the hat back together I'll do some new overlays to try and confirm it. It's killing me, this old HJ and another - the stitching that holds together the sweatband itself have perished. You know, the stuff that's like 2mm apart! ??? So I've been spending the last few weeks painfully removing it a couple of inches at a time and rethreading through every freaking hole by hand to invisibly restore it. Yay. Anyway, will post pics when done.

indydude18
12-30-2011, 04:51 PM
I've got a noob question here :meaculpa: :noob:

Assuming that Herbert Johnson supplied ALL the fedoras for Raiders, there had to be more than one grey hat right? I mean, that's a given right?

Would they have made 2 different grey/gray fedoras in slightly different colors although they all had the Raiders bashes? It seems to me that both Nazi officers (Cairo scenes) wore identical fedoras with the only differences being the bash and color (maybe). Maybe I'm just seeing things but I'll post pictures shortly to show you guys what I mean.

indydude18
12-30-2011, 05:49 PM
Take this screen cap for example, the fedora is relatively dark because it seems to be in direct sunlight. Let's call this guy "Nazi Agent 1". Possibly the same Clipper/Washington steps fedora that HF wears.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-02h06m08s223.png

Now look at Nazi Agent 2's fedora. Basically same fedora as Nazi Agent 1 but with a bash.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-02h09m40s6.png

Now lets take a look at Agent 1 and Agent 2's fedoras together in the same lighting conditions.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-01h48m58s151.png
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-01h48m46s34.png
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-01h48m35s109.png
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-01h46m15s58.png

Now is it just me or is the only difference a slight change in color/hue of the fedora? It seems like Nazi Agent 2's fedora (and its a safe bet to say ALL fedoras in ROTLA) was blocked on the same block. It seems to me that if the right indentation on Nazi Agent 2's fedora went a bit deeper in the pinch area, it'd be smack on Raiders.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-01h48m35s109.png
Versus
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-02h00m57s181.png

indydude18
12-30-2011, 06:00 PM
Just thought I'd point this out quickly. Anyone else notice Nazi Agent 1's fedora is bashed at some point in Tunisia? See the bashes on the fedora on the guy at left? They could have just popped out the bash right there in Tunisia, that's why they the lines look fresh.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-01h59m07s135.png
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-01h58m59s52.png
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-01h58m52s232.png
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-01h58m03s40.png
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-01h56m52s21.png

And Nazi Agent 2's fedora looks tapered in this scene. Maybe there even could have been 3 fedoras, who knows? Maybe some of the experts can chime in on this. ;D

neutronbomb
12-30-2011, 06:18 PM
Nice screencaps indydude18!

Since you can see the two "bad guys" together in some scenes, there's of course more than one grey fedora used in the movie. The one below has that hint of a crease in the middle, so I wonder if it's possible that Indy's grey clipper got double use? From what it looks like I wouldn't be surprised if the ones used in the raiders movie are all the same exact color.




http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other7.jpg

Whoa, is that a hint of a crease of the front?


But then these look pretty close:
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_greyclipper1.jpghttp://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other4.jpg


And where did they get them, Swales? Or from earlier?
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/screentest1.png

Maybe not since the color seems so much lighter, but I don't know. Colors can change big time under different lighting. It's seems awful light though.

indydude18
12-30-2011, 08:40 PM
Right. I wouldn't be surprised either if they were the same color. It's probably just the lighting, lens filter, film, etc. that's messing with me.

And the ribbon is probably at around 42-43ish like Gunslinger suggested. This early HJ seems to have a clipper-like color and the ribbon looks wider to me.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/KGrHqRHJBME63Uw3JLBO6uEiZYj60_3.jpg

I know Gunslinger said he had a HJ Clipper. Gunslinger, hows the color look like in real person? Is it darker/lighter than what we see on screen?

RCSignals
12-30-2011, 08:51 PM
They sure did a lot of odd things with that grey hat. The pushed out bash gives a idea of block shape for that grey fedora, maybe.

Gunslinger
12-30-2011, 10:28 PM
Yeah I HAD one - a real one - but I broke it. The only hat body I ever wrecked and it had to be the one almost impossible to get again. Sigh. :doh:

I kept a swatch, and in person I'd say that the Agent 1 and Clipper hats are one in the same. If not the identical hat, but identical specs. To my eye, Agent 2 looks like it's on a slightly different block. More like the ToD block. And a cooler grey colour.

Maybe they bashed Agent 1's hat on location, found it looked too much like Indy's, then unbashed it for a different look to that character.

indydude18
12-31-2011, 02:07 AM
In that case, could there be four?

1. Agent 1/ HF Clipper
2. Agent 2 Raiders shape
3. Agent 2 ToDish shape

and a possible 4th.

4. Agent 1 (while talking to Monkey man)

*watching the film again and comparing screen caps, while both agents are speaking to Monkey man, the fedoras look "off". What immediately stood out to me is how short the back of the fedora is on Agent 1. Doesn't seem like the HF clipper. That could mean that it was a different fedora taking into account that it was also bashed. Also, Agent 2's fedora looks super tapered. IDK, I guess it must be time to take my medication. >:D

And Kurt,

I'm sorry about the Clipper. I'm sure you'll be able to snatch another in time. Awful luck though man, but don't be too disappointed. Your hats knock old-stinky Herbert Johnson's outta the water any day of the week man. :afro:

Indiana Bugs
12-31-2011, 02:11 AM
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other4.jpg

Judging by the shape of the brim, this hat looks as if it has a turn.

indydude18
12-31-2011, 04:27 AM
That could be an illusion Bugs but since the number of grey hats are so uncertain, it's very likely it could be turned.

Check this out:

The hat looks slightly turned, the brim is warping and the ribbon seems more forward.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other4.jpg

But if we assume Agent 2 is wearing the same fedora, then it could just be that we're seeing the curl of the left side of the brim, like this:
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other5.jpg

RCSignals
12-31-2011, 07:47 AM
I wonder if anyone has the receipts for these grey hats... :sheep: :lolhit:

Mac
12-31-2011, 03:01 PM
This is the Temple Entrance hat compared to the Clipper Interior. I rotated the hats as close to level as possible, then superimposed them to scale down the larger of the two (Clipper) to approximate the same width and height. In fig. 3 the blue horizontal line corresponds to the length of the hat front to back, while the red horizontal line matches the ribbon’s width. The same lines from fig. 3 are superimposed over fig. 4; the ribbon is slightly but noticeably taller than the red line.

I drew an outline as closely as possible around the hat in fig. 5 and then superimposed that outline over fig. 6 in order to show how close the hats are aligned in size and orientation. Again, you can see the dark ribbon rising slightly above the outline in fig. 6.

Of course this method of comparison is seriously flawed, due to differing camera angles, inconsistent character facing, lens distortion, estimation errors, etc.

But there it is.

When compared to similar frames of the brown hat, the Clipper hat’s ribbon just seems a bit wider (taller).

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Hats/Clipper-TempleEntranceComparison.jpg
Full size:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Hats/Clipper-TempleEntranceComparison.jpg

Could be vertical distortion from a particular lens the crew was forced to use in the cramped airplane interior, or a purposeful distortion in aspect ratio on the part of the film editor to gain width in the small space. Raiders was filmed in Panavision IIRC, which is an anamorphic format.

But the ribbon on the grey hat at the end of the movie also seems wider than the usual brown hat’s ribbon:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Hats/RaidersClipper-8.jpg

The grey hat worn by the tall Nazi agent looks to me like the ribbon is indeed a little wider than the brown Hero when compared directly. You can also clearly see the remaining crease from a tight front pinch that’s been punched back out.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Hats/GrayBrownHats.jpg

Since Ford’s grey hat in two different scenes (Clipper and Govt. Building Steps) appears to have a somewhat wider ribbon, and the Nazi Agent grey hat also appears to have a wider ribbon, I tend to think that the ribbon on those hats was in the 42 or 43mm range.

Gunslinger
12-31-2011, 07:03 PM
Agreed Mac.

I had originally thought the appearance of the wider ribbon was doe to a combo of the wide angle lens used in the Clipper interiors and film grain bleeding out the dark ribbon area in the dim light, but after I got my hands on a few vintage hats and ribbons from that era and before, found a few ribbons in that sort of width. (I have a few meters of new old stock 1940s or so French cotton/rayon blend, and just measured it as being 42.5mm) So I'd say you're dead on.

indydude18
01-01-2012, 03:43 AM
Do you guys think this color and felt was exclusive to HJ at the time? (late 1970's - mid 1980's Cury felt) or could it have been some thicker, borsalino-type felt? I've seen lots of vintage 1940's - 1950's borsalino felts that seem close in color and thickness.

Mac
01-01-2012, 09:52 PM
Yeah Kurt that ribbon size seems to be reasonably common in vintage hats. Current manufacture fine-ribbed hat band in that width is also available:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Hats/42_5mmRibbon.jpg

Indydude, I know that Cury was rumored to be a possible source of felt for HJ in that era, but has that been conclusively established or substantiated or verified by some source at HJ?

neutronbomb
01-02-2012, 04:40 PM
It certainly does appear the other hats other than Indy's brown fedoras used slightly wider ribbon. I noticed you used the hawaii hat in the comparison Mac. It looks very similar to the hat Martin Grace wears (indy hawaii vs martin grace compare below. Just grabbed something quick so it's not the best). I wonder if that's the hat Indy wears in Hawaii. The ribbon width appears to be the same width though as the main hero hat (not pictured). Interesting.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/th_hatribbon_hawaiicompare.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/?action=view&current=hatribbon_hawaiicompare.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hatribbon_hawaiicompare.jpg

Gunslinger
01-02-2012, 04:44 PM
Do you guys think this color and felt was exclusive to HJ at the time? (late 1970's - mid 1980's Cury felt) or could it have been some thicker, borsalino-type felt? I've seen lots of vintage 1940's - 1950's borsalino felts that seem close in color and thickness.


Probably not exclusive, and likely not as thick as earlier decades going by the hats I've owned.

indydude18
01-18-2012, 06:55 AM
Just thought you guys would like to see this. I bought this off eBay recently trying to get a close color to the HJ Clipper but I think it may be too dark. Kurt, is this close to the color of your Clipper? I know I saw a picture of Neutronbomb somewhere with his Clipper and it seemed very light IMO. Do any of the hat experts know how to date these HJ's? Oh, and I just took a quick measurement but the ribbon is a tiny bit bigger than 43 ;)

Flash
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/KGrHqRHJBME63Uw3JLBO6uEiZYj60_3.jpg

Indirect Sunlight
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC04972.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC04973.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC04974.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC04975.jpg

Sweatband and Liner
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC04976.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC04977.jpg

Some trivia under the sweatband
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC04978.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC04979.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC04980.jpg

I think this color is actually pretty close to Agent 1's fedora
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-02h06m08s223.png

Gunslinger
01-18-2012, 11:53 AM
It certainly does appear the other hats other than Indy's brown fedoras used slightly wider ribbon. I noticed you used the hawaii hat in the comparison Mac. It looks very similar to the hat Martin Grace wears (indy hawaii vs martin grace compare below. Just grabbed something quick so it's not the best). I wonder if that's the hat Indy wears in Hawaii. The ribbon width appears to be the same width though as the main hero hat (not pictured). Interesting.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/th_hatribbon_hawaiicompare.jpg (http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/?action=view&current=hatribbon_hawaiicompare.jpg)
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hatribbon_hawaiicompare.jpg




NB, I'm not sure on it being a match for Hawaii. I have the side brim of the Hawaii hat pegged as about 2 3/8" - which is quite narrow compared to the main hero hat. If you recall, when I reblocked your ABD, I trimmed the brim to Hawaii specs as the body of the hat was vibing it to me. Here are the overlays of the hat, fully built but before I did the dimensional trim:

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/GunslingerAU/Yojimbo-Hawaii-Comp.jpg
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/GunslingerAU/r95-comp.jpg

You can see how much I trimmed it from the accepted 2 5/8", which was clearly too wide. By comparison, I think the non-box side of the Grace hat brim just kind of looks a bit wider than the HW - more like the 2 5/8" again. Hard to say. Compare your own hat to the pics to get a feel for it.

Gunslinger
01-18-2012, 12:03 PM
Just thought you guys would like to see this. I bought this off eBay recently trying to get a close color to the HJ Clipper but I think it may be too dark. Kurt, is this close to the color of your Clipper? I know I saw a picture of Neutronbomb somewhere with his Clipper and it seemed very light IMO. Do any of the hat experts know how to date these HJ's? Oh, and I just took a quick measurement but the ribbon is a tiny bit bigger than 43 ;)

Indirect Sunlight
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC04972.jpg

Sweatband and Liner
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC04976.jpg

Some trivia under the sweatband
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC04978.jpg

I think this color is actually pretty close to Agent 1's fedora
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-02h06m08s223.png



That one is a relatively recent HJ. The kind of "whip" looking swirly pattern was introduced in the 90's or 2000's. Definitely after LC in any event. Yep, you're right, the colour is definitely darker than the agent / Clipper grey. They all have labels under the sweatband and/or liner. Some have a code that you can read as a date, others not. It depends on the era. I'm a bit hit and miss with what seems to have been their evolving system of all that stuff, as I've only had about 10 HJ's to date. I haven't seen that style you show before. I do have a soft spot for Homburgs like this one, and wish I could carry off the look, but they make me look BAD. And not in a 8) way.

indydude18
11-19-2012, 08:37 PM
Seeing Raiders once more in Blu-Ray now. It seems to me as though the Hero HJ (brown) was a very floppy hat. It's a different story with the Grey HJ. It seems very stiff. Especially when "flicked" my Marion at the end of the film. I'm also not entirely convinced the same Cury felt was used for both. Feedback?

Indiana Bugs
11-19-2012, 11:59 PM
The brown hat(s) were beat up and sweated in. The gray hat(s) was not. Judging by my rabbit Akubras, abuse will soften a hat up pretty well.

HENRY JONES JR.
12-02-2012, 04:28 AM
I found this website that sells a grey fine fur felt Indy style grey fedora. Don't know anything about it.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=indiana+jones+%2b+hat+%2b+fedora+%2b+grey +&view=detail&id=EC047BDD903D08CCC90AC0F504E1ACA918471DD5&first=39

bendingoak
12-02-2012, 05:11 AM
I agree. That the brown hero hat was distressed by the costumer so it mocked out what stiffener was in the felt. The travel hat wasn't so you are seeing a new hat right out of the box.

HENRY JONES JR.
12-03-2012, 02:07 AM
I agree. That the brown hero hat was distressed by the costumer so it mocked out what stiffener was in the felt. The travel hat wasn't so you are seeing a new hat right out of the box.

So, in order for these hats to look like the photos provided, you have to have someone mold it, or do it yourself?

Gunslinger
12-03-2012, 02:55 AM
You can do it yourself. Just poke, prod and pinch away! And lightly hit it with some steam from the top of your kettle if you need to either set it how you've got it, or to make it more pliable. (Just be very careful doing that to a cheap or modern hat or you may end up with a traffic cone if you overdo it.)

HENRY JONES JR.
12-03-2012, 03:14 AM
You can do it yourself. Just poke, prod and pinch away! And lightly hit it with some steam from the top of your kettle if you need to either set it how you've got it, or to make it more pliable. (Just be very careful doing that to a cheap or modern hat or you may end up with a traffic cone if you overdo it.)

I've been amazed Gunslinger, that I can mold my Herbert Johnson without water or steam! It just seems to somehow adapt to repeatedly forming it with a pinch and bashes. I'm not sure why it does it without steam or water, but it was a new unworn hat, and I'm guessing it didn't have any real defining pinch or bashes when I got it, so it didn't learn to form that way. I did just buy a Grey NOS Stetson Indiana Jones fedora from 1984 with tags still on it. It will have to be formed, but I prefer doing it by hand, unless it absolutely has to be reblocked, I'll try to do it myself. It's not HJ quality, but we'll see how it goes.

Oildale Jones
12-03-2012, 03:26 AM
Oh, so you're the one who sniped me? :)

Gunslinger
12-03-2012, 03:57 AM
LOL. Awkward.

Yeah, I don't tend to use steam, unless I'm in a hurry for it to set rather than just training it over a period of time, Except with the brim. I like a nice, solid steamed brim, so like to do that every one in a while.

Oildale Jones
12-03-2012, 05:33 AM
At least I know it went to a good home.

HENRY JONES JR.
12-03-2012, 08:25 PM
There were two listed. One was a US 7 1/2 that sold for $105.00 with 18 bids. Mine was US 7 1/8. Are you sure it's the same one? My was a "buy it now" with no bids. Wanna see the link?

- - - Updated - - -


LOL. Awkward.

Yeah, I don't tend to use steam, unless I'm in a hurry for it to set rather than just training it over a period of time, Except with the brim. I like a nice, solid steamed brim, so like to do that every one in a while.

I have a lot to learn from you my friend. I'm learning every day.

HENRY JONES JR.
12-04-2012, 05:12 PM
What is the general view from members here on Fortune & Glory when it comes to Stetson Indiana Jones hats? I mean, I know it's not screen acurate, there are other makers for that type of quality which we already know. But what is the basic view of Stetson Indiana Jones hats? Nice hat? Decent hat? Sucks? Fair? They are o.k., nothing special? Well made?

HENRY JONES JR.
12-05-2012, 04:49 AM
What is the general view from members here on Fortune & Glory when it comes to Stetson Indiana Jones hats? I mean, I know it's not screen acurate, there are other makers for that type of quality which we already know. But what is the basic view of Stetson Indiana Jones hats? Nice hat? Decent hat? Sucks? Fair? They are o.k., nothing special? Well made?

I'm curious what the members here think, as I value your opinions.

neutronbomb
12-05-2012, 03:05 PM
maybe no one has a stetson?

We have it in our vendor list from Miller: http://www.fortuneandglory.org/forums/threads/1728-Vendor-List-for-Fedoras-Information-Thread-Only

Also on like page 9 there's a few posts regarding the Stetson from Miller and then another one on page 1 that recommends which one to order: http://www.fortuneandglory.org/forums/threads/474-I-am-a-hat-newbie-What-s-good-that-s-out-there-discussion/page9

It seems Weston and RCSignals have had Stetsons, you might want to hit them up for more info.

HENRY JONES JR.
12-05-2012, 09:05 PM
maybe no one has a stetson?

We have it in our vendor list from Miller: http://www.fortuneandglory.org/forums/threads/1728-Vendor-List-for-Fedoras-Information-Thread-Only

Also on like page 9 there's a few posts regarding the Stetson from Miller and then another one on page 1 that recommends which one to order: http://www.fortuneandglory.org/forums/threads/474-I-am-a-hat-newbie-What-s-good-that-s-out-there-discussion/page9

It seems Weston and RCSignals have had Stetsons, you might want to hit them up for more info.

Thank you neutronbomb for replying. I just figured members here would have some knowledge or feelings about Stetsons Indiana Jones hats, as members here are extremely knowledgeable about such things. I felt that perhaps these fedoras would have somehow made it into the hands of the members here over the years. Stetson has been around forever, so I'm assuming that the fur felt fedoras are of very good quality, but just not movie accurate. The only thing that makes it related to INDIANA JONES would be "indiana jones" stamped inside the hat on the band, and on the satin lining.

I'll just guess it's a decent fedora with it's only connection to Indy is the paid use of the "INDIANA JONES" logo.

Gunslinger
12-05-2012, 09:50 PM
Yeah sorry mate, never owned one.

indydude18
01-22-2013, 05:30 PM
Hey guys, revamping this thread quickly. Hopefully some of the fedora experts can chime in on this hat. It matches the address where the Raiders hats were made. Could this be the color used for the Clipper hat?

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07506.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07507.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07508.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07509.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07513.jpg

HENRY JONES JR.
01-22-2013, 10:18 PM
Hey guys, revamping this thread quickly. Hopefully some of the fedora experts can chime in on this hat. It matches the address where the Raiders hats were made. Could this be the color used for the Clipper hat?

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07506.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07507.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07508.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07509.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07513.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/steven-spielberg/lo.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/steven-spielberg/londo.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/steven-spielberg/lon.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/steven-spielberg/london3.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/steven-spielberg/london.jpg


I doubt it, although that is a way cool hat! Have you seen my Christy's hat? Looks like your hat, just a different color. The crown is too short, and the brim is too short, and there is no inside hat liner. I'm guessing yours is the same fur felt and it's certainly the same hat maker that was used for the Raider Clipper, but I don't think it's the same hat with a different ribbon. Love your hat pal! It's really an Awesome Vintage hat!

indydude18
01-22-2013, 11:06 PM
I doubt it, although that is a way cool hat! Have you seen my Christy's hat? Looks like your hat, just a different color. The crown is too short, and the brim is too short, and there is no inside hat liner. I'm guessing yours is the same fur felt and it's certainly the same hat maker that was used for the Raider Clipper, but I don't think it's the same hat with a different ribbon. Love your hat pal! It's really an Awesome Vintage hat!

I was talking strictly color-wise HJJ. I don't doubt your hat is any different from mine, both the sweatband and felt look similar but the color of the Clipper hat has been an ongoing debate for many, MANY years. Apart from two other people, I know of NO-ONE who has ever seen the REAL Clipper color. It is a rare color indeed, so maybe this can put a rest to years of Brown vs Grey debates.

neutronbomb
01-22-2013, 11:33 PM
Interesting for sure.
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_greyclipper1.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07506.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other8.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07507.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other5.jpg

HENRY JONES JR.
01-23-2013, 12:18 AM
I was talking strictly color-wise HJJ. I don't doubt your hat is any different from mine, both the sweatband and felt look similar but the color of the Clipper hat has been an ongoing debate for many, MANY years. Apart from two other people, I know of NO-ONE who has ever seen the REAL Clipper color. It is a rare color indeed, so maybe this can put a rest to years of Brown vs Grey debates.

Oh, I'm sorry, I miss read it, and thought you meant is that the same style hat used for the clipper hat. I just missed you mentioning the color. So, yeah, it could very well be the correct color. It's from the same time period I think.

indydude18
01-23-2013, 12:25 AM
Yeah NB, this hat is weird man. The color I'm seeing in the picture is not the same color I see in person. In person, it's "warmer".

I've color corrected the next photo to show roughly how the color looks in person
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07506Copy.jpg

And really reminds me of this hat
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/vlcsnap-2011-12-30-02h06m08s223.png

Gunslinger
01-23-2013, 01:57 AM
I had one, may it rest in peace. :( I still have a 6" square swatch of it.

Yes it is a very weird felt in the way that it refracts colour. It IS grey, but looks an odd browny tone in certain light. What you are describing is dead-on. It could register as many different tones in one photo vs another.

bendingoak
01-23-2013, 02:53 AM
Talking with Steve Delk about the travel hat and in fact it was grey. Bernie tried to get the same color from Steve for CS but he didn't have the color so they went with Steve's granite. I forget the exact words they used to describe it but it is a mid grey or something but it is grey.

indydude18
01-25-2013, 05:03 AM
Another quick example of how this Cury felt can be seen as different colors depending on color.

Same hat, same camera, different lighting. But neither of these photos capture the color it is in person.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07552.jpg

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/DSC07268.jpg

HENRY JONES JR.
02-09-2013, 04:37 AM
STETSON's 1984 INDIANA JONES GREY CLIPPER FEDORA


http://www.fortuneandglory.org/forums/threads/2038-Stetson-grey-clipper-hat?p=20429#post20429

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/steven-spielberg/newest%20photos/100_3813_zps24352316.jpg


Photos of my mint, rare Stetson grey Indy Fedora


http://www.fortuneandglory.org/forums/threads/2038-Stetson-grey-clipper-hat?p=20429#post20429

indydude18
06-18-2013, 04:44 PM
What if the Clipper hat was something of a "Burma" color?

A greyish brown......or a brownish grey?

Thoughts?

Ram Man
06-18-2013, 10:21 PM
Indydude18, I have always leaned toward that assumption as well, so in this case I would have to agree with you.

The CS hat is noticably grey compared to the clipper fedora. Not sure if the San Francisco shot at the end is the same clipper fedora but there is very little grey to be seen. Now I know that camera filters and lighting etc wil affect the appearance but I think there is less grey than was once thought.

It would be cool to see a side by side comparison of the clipper hat along with the San Francisco hat and the CS hat. I would post something but I am not too computer savy. Still not sure how to post my own pics without a link. I'll learn someday:doh:

Gunslinger
06-18-2013, 10:56 PM
If you want to post a pic, just hit reply to thread, then the little image icon on the tool panel - third from the right.

Ram Man
06-19-2013, 12:32 AM
Thanks Gunslinger. I am wondering how to post pics from my my personal folders since that icon asks for a URL to do so. I obviously can't copy and paste.....I am thinking that I need to post them on something like Image Shack first...... Yes? No?

indydude18
06-19-2013, 01:34 AM
RamMan, you can send me your pictures, I'll upload them to my photobucket and post them for you.

Gunslinger
06-19-2013, 06:53 AM
Thanks Gunslinger. I am wondering how to post pics from my my personal folders since that icon asks for a URL to do so. I obviously can't copy and paste.....I am thinking that I need to post them on something like Image Shack first...... Yes? No?

I have one that shows "Upload from computer", then you hit the browse button and can pick your local images and upload them.

Ram Man
06-19-2013, 09:34 PM
I have one that shows "Upload from computer", then you hit the browse button and can pick your local images and upload them.

When I click on the "insert image" icon the only option that it gives me is "add an image from URL", nothing else. At the bottom of the page under posting permissions it says that I may NOT post attatchments. Could that be why I don't have the same option as you??

Indydude18, thanks for your offer. I don't have any pics of the clipper fedora to post as of yet. I have tried to post pics in the past though and couldn't do so successfully. I sort of suggested posting side by sides since some of you guys seem to be wizards at it.

The color of the Clipper and San Francisco hat seem identical to me. Has it been considered if this is the same hat? Correct me if I am wrong but the stairway shot at the end of Raiders is an interior shot, same as the clipper scene. Very interesting though the idea that the nazi agent hats may have been recycled especially with the faint hint of a former pinch in the crown. I never noticed that before. The outdoor shots would obviously affect their appearance if they were recycled.

You guys are like forensic "Indy" scientists when it comes to solving the mysteries of these films.

Gunslinger
06-19-2013, 09:55 PM
I think they're the same hat. At least the same colour / model, if not the actual same one. If you want to see something really interesting, have a very close look at the German agents hat on the clipper.

Anyone else having the same image issue? It will help us find the setting.

JeffDJ
06-19-2013, 11:10 PM
I have one that shows "Upload from computer", then you hit the browse button and can pick your local images and upload them.
That's what I got when I uploaded my avatar, but for pix in message posts it's the URL thing, so I upload the pics to ImageShack first, then use the URLs for the photos on here.

indydude18
06-23-2013, 01:06 AM
I know there has been ongoing debates for YEARS about the hat being Grey vs the hat being brown. If I'm not wrong, the ribbon on the Clipper hat is brown right? It looks brown to me, but I know filters, cameras, and light can change colors ALOT! One question I have always thought is this: Why would a brown ribbon be on a grey hat?

Seriously, how many of you guys think the Clipper hat is Brown? How many think it's Grey?

These next pictures don't have me entirely convinced they're the same color, but again, I know....filters.....cameras....lighting....yadda yadda yadda.....

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other5.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other7.jpg

NB, I stole your pictures. I hope that's OK with you mate :)

Now, these two hats are supposed to both be outside in direct sun right? Why do they look so different in color then?

Thoughts? Opinions?

bendingoak
06-23-2013, 05:12 PM
The debate should be over. Steve was asked to make a grey travel hat. Why, you might ask. Because he way told that Indy travel hat is grey and they wanted to get a they wanted to make sure they got a grey hat in the movie. He didn't have that mid grey available from his felter. He only had charcoal, steel and granite available to him. They opted for granite for the Indy 4 movie scenes. So the travel hat in the Raiedrs movie is in fact grey. It was a mid grey or moonstone grey as I think Steve was told. I forget the name but grey for sure with a black ribbon.

I Also think you can't say for certain that the German guy in the SOC scene grey hat was the same hat as worn by Indy in the travel scene. Just because it had signs of a crease in it doesn't mean it's the same hat. Could have easly be that director saw the crease and wanted it changed because it looks too much like Indy.

- - - Updated - - -

On more thing. To answer one more question. Yes you can put a brown ribbon on a grey hat. I vae done it many times for customers and it looks great.

indydude18
06-23-2013, 09:25 PM
The debate should be over. Steve was asked to make a grey travel hat. Why, you might ask. Because he way told that Indy travel hat is grey and they wanted to get a they wanted to make sure they got a grey hat in the movie. He didn't have that mid grey available from his felter. He only had charcoal, steel and granite available to him. They opted for granite for the Indy 4 movie scenes. So the travel hat in the Raiedrs movie is in fact grey. It was a mid grey or moonstone grey as I think Steve was told. I forget the name but grey for sure with a black ribbon.

I Also think you can't say for certain that the German guy in the SOC scene grey hat was the same hat as worn by Indy in the travel scene. Just because it had signs of a crease in it doesn't mean it's the same hat. Could have easly be that director saw the crease and wanted it changed because it looks too much like Indy.

- - - Updated - - -

On more thing. To answer one more question. Yes you can put a brown ribbon on a grey hat. I vae done it many times for customers and it looks great.

John, who told Steve to make a grey travel hat? Bernie?

Gunslinger
06-23-2013, 09:27 PM
The Herbert Johnson warm grey colour from Raiders was called "Smoke". Is grey but can skew brown in a way no modern felt does.

neutronbomb
06-24-2013, 02:47 PM
It's my understanding that using the upload function to load photos directly from your computer causes the photos to be saved directly to the server. So we turned that feature off. It's off for me too. Apparently the system likes gunslinger more than the rest of us though and has given him special privileges :) I did have some uploaded directly to the server in like the first month that we went to the new software and I really liked it and the way it displays the photos. However we're fearful with all the images that we post on here that the storage space requirements would become massive and that's why we went with only using the image URL feature with image shack, photobucket, etc. So yeah, open up like a photobucket account in order to post pics. That's the one I use so I'm familiar with it.

I like the drag and drop feature. You click on upload a photo and it opens a box where you can drag a photo from your desktop and drop it in the box. It automatically uploads it into photobucket. Once it's uploaded, you can click on the photo in photobucket and it opens it up as a larger image. On the right is where you can click on the image code and it automatically saves it to your clipboard. Now you can go to our forum, select reply in a thread, and then paste in the image code. Sometime fairly recently photobucket started adding/combining in the URL thumbnail code with the image code. I try and strip that part out once I paste it in the forums reply box because if it's left in, for those of us that use tapatalk if we click on an image in a thread it opens it up in photobucket and it's still too small to see.

bendingoak
06-25-2013, 02:27 AM
Bernie, S.S., G. L.


I think it was called something different then grey. I will have to look though my e-mails with Steve.

I have seen modern granite grey show with a hint of brown to it.

Gunslinger
06-25-2013, 02:57 AM
Ah, ok, that makes sense. It's good to know the system likes me. ;) Sorry there's stuff that I have forgotten re the setup. The thing is that the attachment thing doesn't produce very good images anyway - they end up small and kind of crappy. If you want to embed a good image you've really got to do it via Photobucket as NB says.

neutronbomb
07-05-2014, 03:59 PM
Interesting to re-read this thread.

HENRY JONES JR.
07-05-2014, 06:43 PM
Interesting to re-read this thread.

Interesting is right! The members were on to it, and it's true color was, in fact, mentioned here. The only problem was we didn't know at the time what the true colors name was. It was all speculation at that point. Who can blame us? We needed proof. We really had nothing to go on, as the color really is a combination of brown and grey. Some guesses were correct. Thankfully now, we finally...finally have the actual true name.

This website did it. I wonder how long it will take for the word to get out into the general community?

RCSignals
07-05-2014, 07:21 PM
Bernie, S.S., G. L.


I think it was called something different then grey. I will have to look though my e-mails with Steve.

I have seen modern granite grey show with a hint of brown to it.


That's what I was referring to in the other thread. John had this felt and as I recall he thought it was the correct colour

HENRY JONES JR.
07-05-2014, 07:34 PM
Bernie, S.S., G. L.


I think it was called something different then grey. I will have to look though my e-mails with Steve.

I have seen modern granite grey show with a hint of brown to it.


That's what I was referring to in the other thread. John had this felt and as I recall he thought it was the correct colour


He was indeed correct about the color. We just needed actual proof to prove that this was correct, because without it, the debate would continue, as there were other opinions out there. We just needed the proof. But your correct, he was right.

Gunslinger
07-05-2014, 07:48 PM
Just throwing this out there - looking at this earlier thread, where we arguably think that there may be two shades of grey hat visible in the same lighting (a cooler one and a warmer one) is it possible there are two HJ colours, and they are Granite and Smoke?

HENRY JONES JR.
07-05-2014, 08:05 PM
The Herbert Johnson warm grey colour from Raiders was called "Smoke". Is grey but can skew brown in a way no modern felt does.


Just throwing this out there - looking at this earlier thread, where we arguably think that there may be two shades of grey hat visible in the same lighting (a cooler one and a warmer one) is it possible there are two HJ colours, and they are Granite and Smoke?

It's possible. I mean, why not? I see no reason to believe that it isn't possible.

neutronbomb
07-05-2014, 09:08 PM
Maybe when you get back from your 'European Vacation' you can post a pic of your "smoke scrap". Lol. Also, was the Smoke label hand-written in like HJJs?

You know. With the way these hats can color change with different angles and lighting, I'm not sure I can tell for certain that two different felt colors were used.

HENRY JONES JR.
07-06-2014, 12:55 AM
Maybe when you get back from your 'European Vacation' you can post a pic of your "smoke scrap". Lol. Also, was the Smoke label hand-written in like HJJs?



I would love to see a photo!

Gunslinger
07-06-2014, 07:01 AM
Maybe when you get back from your 'European Vacation' you can post a pic of your "smoke scrap". Lol. Also, was the Smoke label hand-written in like HJJs?

You know. With the way these hats can color change with different angles and lighting, I'm not sure I can tell for certain that two different felt colors were used.

Yeah I will dig it out. I'm pretty sure I took a photo of the paper label - it was identical in style (I think), though I think the colour was printed on in type. Could be misremembering, as it was a long time ago, as one of many hats.

RCSignals
07-06-2014, 10:39 AM
HJJ, what is the colour of the ribbon on your hat? Is the original colour Black? You may have to peak at the back (hat) side of the ribbon to tell. The outside could have faded, and even a black ribbon could fade to a shade of brown

RCSignals
07-06-2014, 10:43 AM
Wasn't it said somewhere that the hat with the 'smoke' label was a Brooks Brothers by HJ? If so 'smoke' could have been a colour name of Brooks Brothers to make it seem "their" unique colour when in fact it was same as HJ 'granite'

Or 'smoke' could be a term HJ used in a particular year instead of 'granite' to give the illusion it was a new colour.

neutronbomb
07-06-2014, 05:05 PM
It was also hand written in so we may not know for sure exactly when/where that designation was added. Maybe HJJ can shed light on how much he had to undo the hat to see the tag.

HENRY JONES JR.
07-07-2014, 12:13 AM
HJJ, what is the colour of the ribbon on your hat? Is the original colour Black? You may have to peak at the back (hat) side of the ribbon to tell. The outside could have faded, and even a black ribbon could fade to a shade of brown

Great question. The ribbon is indeed black. However, it's wider than what was used in the film, so it could have been replaced by a different colored ribbon I suppose, but the ribbon on my fedora is original to the hat.


It was also hand written in so we may not know for sure exactly when/where that designation was added. Maybe HJJ can shed light on how much he had to undo the hat to see the tag.

Thankfully, I didn't have to take the satin lining out to see it. It's a piece of paper that seems to be, I guess somehow glued onto the felt itself. It's on the reverse side of where the ribbon bow is, and when you peel back the leather headband, the bottom part of the tag can be seen. The liner is sewed in, but it can be lifted just enough to show the hat size, crest and granite writing on it. The liner sewing is sewed right through the paper tag, so lifting it higher to read the letters (or numbers) makes it hard to do without taking out the stitching. Upon further examination, it appears to possibly written by the same colored pen (blue). It may be possible to read whatever is there, but it would be hard without removing the stitching. Also, as Gunslinger told me, the stitching to the leather headband is done by a very fragile thread, and it tends to come appart. Well, it is just barely starting to at the back of the hat (everything else is secure), so I don't want to damage it any further, so if the information written on the top of the paper is essential to us knowing about it, I'll figure out how to read it.

HENRY JONES JR.
07-07-2014, 12:29 AM
I'm getting confused now. This threads title is so close to the "Found! Raiders grey china clipper fedora" thread, that I think I'm writing in that one, and yet I'm not. The title used to be capitalized, and made it easier to spot. If you have questions, I'll answer them on the other thread.

Mac
07-07-2014, 08:04 PM
These next pictures don't have me entirely convinced they're the same color, but again, I know....filters.....cameras....lighting....yadda yadda yadda.....

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other5.jpg

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt235/neutronbomb_photos/ROTLA%20-%20Hat%20Pictures/hat_other7.jpg

NB, I stole your pictures. I hope that's OK with you mate :)

Now, these two hats are supposed to both be outside in direct sun right? Why do they look so different in color then?

Thoughts? Opinions?

Observing them side by side during the ‘Marion hides in basket’ scene, I think they are the same color.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Hats/Raiders-NaziGrayHats-3_zpse4ba437f.jpg~original

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Hats/Raiders-NaziGrayHats-1_zpsba180cf8.jpg~original

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/Mac0/Hats/Raiders-NaziGrayHats-2_zps3426dfb1.jpg~original

Those are HD captures with the newer BluRay recoloring, but the DVD version colors also look the same to me during these scenes (sorry no DVD caps.)

neutronbomb
07-07-2014, 11:52 PM
I'm in Cabo for a week with terrible internet, but I'll try and check in once a day if I can. The deal is that this section is supposed to be for discussing the fedora(s) as seen in the movie. The place to show off and discuss items of Indy Gear that a person owns is in the show off your gear section. Now and again I'll go through and move all the threads that belong in the show of your gear section over to there. People always post their stuff in the film sections because they think more people will see it and more likely because the way we have our sections labeled is probably confusing.

So. The label of this thread is appropriate because we are discussing the grey clipper fedora as seen on film. And your label is appropriate because you found one. The problem is technically your found thread belongs in the show your gear section. But, you found what looks to be the fedora so the names of the threads ended up similar and I guess it could go in either section.

If you guys have some suggestions on fixing all this, let me know. I'll check in as much as I can.


I'm getting confused now. This threads title is so close to the "Found! Raiders grey china clipper fedora" thread, that I think I'm writing in that one, and yet I'm not. The title used to be capitalized, and made it easier to spot. If you have questions, I'll answer them on the other thread.

ilikeike
02-27-2015, 11:59 PM
Interesting pics. Here's what I can add. Indy on the Clipper in what appears to be a hat of some shade of grey...
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g76/gruden/hat_greyclipper1.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/gruden/media/hat_greyclipper1.jpg.html)

Big Nazi on the street in what appears to be (maybe) the same hat (at least the same color):
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g76/gruden/Raiders-NaziGrayHats-3_zpse4ba437f.jpgoriginal.jpeg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/gruden/media/Raiders-NaziGrayHats-3_zpse4ba437f.jpgoriginal.jpeg.html)

Now, same Big Nazi in same hat in different lighting:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g76/gruden/hat_other8.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/gruden/media/hat_other8.jpg.html)

...and my Peters Brothers Steele Grey (rabbit) looking much the same color:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g76/gruden/null_zpsd8c2a8f7.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/gruden/media/null_zpsd8c2a8f7.jpg.html)

Makes me think I've got one that is close enough for government work (even Top Men in the government).

HENRY JONES JR.
02-28-2015, 04:47 AM
Beauty fedora pal! Great color, and it looks great on you!

indydude18
02-28-2015, 08:56 PM
Interesting pics. Here's what I can add. Indy on the Clipper in what appears to be a hat of some shade of grey...
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g76/gruden/hat_greyclipper1.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/gruden/media/hat_greyclipper1.jpg.html)

Big Nazi on the street in what appears to be (maybe) the same hat (at least the same color):
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g76/gruden/Raiders-NaziGrayHats-3_zpse4ba437f.jpgoriginal.jpeg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/gruden/media/Raiders-NaziGrayHats-3_zpse4ba437f.jpgoriginal.jpeg.html)

Now, same Big Nazi in same hat in different lighting:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g76/gruden/hat_other8.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/gruden/media/hat_other8.jpg.html)

...and my Peters Brothers Steele Grey (rabbit) looking much the same color:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g76/gruden/null_zpsd8c2a8f7.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/gruden/media/null_zpsd8c2a8f7.jpg.html)

Makes me think I've got one that is close enough for government work (even Top Men in the government).

Wonderful looking lid! I have always thought the Clipper fedora is darker than seen on screen.

indydude18
04-14-2015, 10:23 PM
I found the correct "Smoke" color from Herbert Johnson. 100% match to the color worn by the Cairo Nazi Agent.


Vintage Herbert Johnson "Smoke" Homburg with 38 New Bond Street address, made for Brooks Brothers.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/IMG_0648_zpsdgndvubb.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/IMG_0648_zpsdgndvubb.jpg.html)


Cairo Nazi Agent with Clipper / HF Clipper

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/indydude18/hat_other7_zpsoqglvrei.jpg (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/indydude18/media/hat_other7_zpsoqglvrei.jpg.html)