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Weston
06-29-2011, 07:03 AM
Here's the latest Legend jacket from US Wings. It's a bit of a departure from the heavy hides and aggressive grain leathers we've seen lately. This one is an import, and to my eyes a much better Raiders jacket than the US made models. The Schott jackets are far superior jackets by far, but I preffer the details of the import.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5894/dsc0097md.jpg

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6189/dsc0024hy.jpg

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1363/dsc0113cg.jpg

Here's a close up of the sliders, compared to the sliders on my Todd's jacket.
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6843/dsc0101mht.jpg

I wanted to show you what the what the leather does after some wear. This one is the A-2 in the exact same leather I've been wearing for the last few weeks. It's been though hot weather and heavy rain, and is picking up plenty of character along the way. It shows some promise!
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1516/dsc0110yi.jpg

Questions are welcome.


Weston

RCSignals
06-29-2011, 07:44 AM
Looks good, and I'm impressed with the long sleeves.

That leather might also be good for a Temple of Doom jacket.

K-Wad
06-29-2011, 07:39 PM
Weston,

I agree with you regarding the Import jackets.
I like the pattern and details better than the Schott made ones.
The US made jackets are cut too slim in the body and sleeves.
Plus, the imported legends have some of the best looking pocket flaps (the flaps on the US jackets are too pointy).

I wish this thin lamb was available when I ordered my Legend (I would have gotten the Imported SL, but, I'm glad I didn't for sooooo many reasons ;) ).
The cowhide is just too heavy

Weston
06-30-2011, 05:40 AM
I hear you. Wings offers Indy jackets in every leather you can imagine at one time or another, and it can make it tough to land on the one that's everything you need, at the time it's available, and at the price you can afford. I'm still waiting for the Kangaroo to come back. I just this evening gave my Signature Series in Goatskin (slated to be discontinued) to a buddy of mine that stopped by. I know I'll kick myself for that later.

I am told there will be even more options available later this year. I really like this one, and I will post updates as it breaks in.

Weston

RCSignals
06-30-2011, 05:50 AM
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I am told there will be even more options available later this year. .........
Weston









If the original plan is still in place, there should be a Temple of Doom jacket coming.

Weston
06-30-2011, 06:10 AM
.........
I am told there will be even more options available later this year. .........
Weston









If the original plan is still in place, there should be a Temple of Doom jacket coming.


I'd be pleasantly suprised if that turned out to be the case. The way things famously melted down with this project, I'm glad they went through with the Legend project at all. If they are still entertaining notions of delivering replicas of each movie jacket, then I'll be a suck-egg mule.

Weston

RCSignals
06-30-2011, 06:18 AM
I hear you Weston. It would be nice to see the other jackets be done though.

crismans
09-14-2011, 08:49 AM
Despite my "distaste" for the way these jackets came in, I decided that I would try one of the imported SLs. I've been after a SL jacket for quite a while and circumstances kept me from getting another Nowak in SL and it seems that Wested won't be offering it again for a while, if at all (plus the whole sizing issue).

At any rate, I got my jacket and I do love the leather. It isn't all that "grainy" out of the box but I can see where the grain would really pop up with wear (and Weston's cold wash treatment really shows that as well--did you post some pics here of that Weston?) I thought I had finally gotten my SL jacket until I looked more closely.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned. Probably, but I never saw it. The imports have some design changes compared to the US versions that you see on Wings site. The collar doesn't come halfway on the storm flap on the imports, but rather ends where the storm flap begins. I've calmed down on my SAness from where I was at one time, but I just don't like the look of the collar not extending onto the storm flap. I've looked at pictures of other jackets (and confirmed this with Weston) that this configuration is standard for the imports.

This isn't a pattern type question or bashing. But I think it's important to point this out. Even if you're not a SA purist, it's a design departure that's worth mentioning (and should be pointed out on Wings site). Like I said, I don't like the look, so I'll be returning my jacket. Now, to decide if I want to plunk down the additional money for a US made version with the correct configuration ($550 or so seems a bit much for an OTR jacket but the SL bug still calls to me) or continue the quest. I might just chuck the whole idea and get an Expo.

Kt Templar
09-14-2011, 09:31 AM
Crismans,

The other couple of things that always gets me with these is

1) The collar stand does not continue to the flap. The stand cut off and the storm flap is sewn on. ie the seam is vertical not horizontal at the collar... if that makes sense.

2) Wrong sided zipper....

3) Huge gaps either side of the lower back panel....

4) Too tall pockets

wait a second that was more than a couple.....

:)

K-Wad
09-14-2011, 07:35 PM
Chrismans,

Does your Import SL have a Raiders style collar stand, or is the Last Crusade style (where the storm flap ends at the bottom of the stand rather than the top)?

All of the Imported SL's I've seen have completely different details then the other imported Legends.

MolaRam
09-14-2011, 09:23 PM
I agree with KT on the issues on the legend especially the pocket size.

crismans
09-14-2011, 10:58 PM
Chrismans,

Does your Import SL have a Raiders style collar stand, or is the Last Crusade style (where the storm flap ends at the bottom of the stand rather than the top)?

All of the Imported SL's I've seen have completely different details then the other imported Legends.




I've sent it back but, if I remember correctly, the flap ended at the bottom of the collar stand. This isn't even trying to nitpick SA-- it just looked wonky for a Raiders jacket.

And, yeah, KT, I agree on those issues but I knew that going in so I had made my peace with them in order to get the SL (use your magic to get Peter to source some more and make a 48 with it! Please Obi Wan, you're our only hope!). The collar stand/ storm flap really threw me. This pattern change on the imports has probably been discussed before, but I had never seen it so I thought it was worth mentioning. Most of the pics on the Wings site show US made jackets where the configuration is Raiders correct.

And sorry Weston! I wasn't trying to hijack your thread but your 30th anniversary goat shown above has the same configuration. Otherwise, it's a sweet looking jacket, but now that I've noticed it, I can't get past it.

Weston
09-14-2011, 11:44 PM
No problem Crismans. Here's a link to pics of the cold water treatment you asked about.

http://www.fortuneandglory.org/index.php?topic=621.msg7701#msg7701

I should post an update one of these days. It has softened up so much since then.

I'm sorry your imported SL didn't work out for you, but I think we all have details in mind that can make or break it for us. I'm convinced the only way to go for some folks is custom, and it's good to know TNO, Magnoli, Wested, and Todd's are around to fill that need.

Weston

K-Wad
09-15-2011, 01:21 AM
Crismans,

That's what I thought. The LC style collar stand configuration only seems to affect the Imported SL's.
The imported Legends in all other leathers seem to have the same collar stand/ storm flap configuration as the
US made jackets.

crismans
09-15-2011, 03:37 AM
Crismans,

That's what I thought. The LC style collar stand configuration only seems to affect the Imported SL's.
The imported Legends in all other leathers seem to have the same collar stand/ storm flap configuration as the
US made jackets.










I'm not sure about that, K-Wad. I've seen pics of the new Legend goat and it has the same collar stand/storm flap thing going on as my imported SL does. I talked a little with Weston about it and we're of the mind that this is the standard pattern for the imports. Look at the pic of Weston's jacket above.

Or am I just totally off base as to what you are saying? It's certainly happened before. :D


1) The collar stand does not continue to the flap. The stand cut off and the storm flap is sewn on. ie the seam is vertical not horizontal at the collar... if that makes sense.

KT, that is the configuration I'm talking about. It just doesn't look right at all (to my eyes) once you notice it.

Weston, the thing is that a Wings XL fits me great, like a custom. And aside for a few (for my taste) minor pattern nitpicks, I really like the look of the US made SLs. I just need to decide if I want to pony up the $550 + to get one. I'll about pull the trigger and then think maybe just wait and get another Expo (I had one a long time ago and really liked the way it wore, but the leather just didn't have enough "pizazz" for me at the time) or wait and see if the new batch of Todd's standards aren't going to be great. If he can get the grain of the Bantu Wind jackets and keep the manufacturer from correcting "mistakes", he'll have an absolute winner. And at least $300 less.

It's just time to sit down and weigh things and make a decision.

Weston
09-16-2011, 01:36 AM
If you do decide to go for it Crismans, keep in mind that the US jacket runs slimmer than the import. You may need to go one size up, particularly if you plan on washing it.

Weston

K-Wad
09-16-2011, 01:41 AM
I think we are talking about two different issues. (And there definately a few with these jackets :D)

The SL imports I've seen are missing the cap on the stormflap. The stormflaps end at the bottom of the collar stand.

Here's a picture of a SL import showing what I'm reffering to....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/mypetelvis/openneck.jpg

For comparison, here is a shot of the collar stand/storm flap on my vintage cowhide import...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/mypetelvis/DSCF0365.jpg

All of the other imports I've seen have been in the same configuration as mine.

crismans
09-16-2011, 02:05 AM
Okay, got you. Yeah, the SL was definitely missing the cap on the stormflap. That whole look was throwing me. If it had the same configuration as your vintage cowhide, I could have lived with it. But the other look is too "wonky" as I've said.

Oddly enough, I emailed Myke about the Legend goat and he said it had the same cut as the one I was returning. Maybe it's possible that I wasn't clear in what I was saying? Weston, I think you have one of the 30th Legend lambskins. Does the jacket have the cap? I could live with the collar not going halfway onto the flap (for $195 for a goatskin jacket), but the lack of a cap is a deal breaker for me.

K-Wad
09-16-2011, 02:35 AM
The lamb and goat 30th jackets I've seen on COW all have the collar like mine.

Here's the collar of a goatskin someone posted...

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj196/UltraMcRad/Wings%2030th%20goatskin/collar1.jpg

And a lambskin...

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac54/calvinbrady123/Jackets/USW_0558.jpg

crismans
09-16-2011, 02:52 AM
You're right, K-Wad. I did some more research and have reached the same conclusion. I might contact Wings tomorrow and switch my instructions for an exchange to the goatskin Legend. That configuration isn't Raiders correct either (not necessarily a big deal--but these Legends still carry all of the baggage of the hype machine) but I can handle it. The import just looks off without that stormflap cap. I'd like a good goat Indy jacket and it would be very tough to beat $195 for this one. I really like the leather that Todd had on his Bantu Wind jacket and he told me that the next wave of standards should have that type of grain but with a softer leather. That might be my "striated" jacket. I keep wanting to pull the the trigger on the US made SL, but the $569 is holding me back. I usually don't have much sense with my money when it comes to these jackets, but that kind of money is getting into custom territory.

scot2525
10-10-2011, 05:36 PM
Here are a few pics of mine the jacket isn't a month old yet.

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8558/indy30thannvjacket006.jpg

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4448/indy30thannvjacket019.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4888/indy30thannvjacket008.jpg

Of the 7 different Indy jackets I have owned or own this one is probably my favorite. Definetley was the best fitting kacket for me out of the box.

RCSignals
10-10-2011, 09:15 PM
That is the best one I've seen on you Scott